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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

oconnor663 wrote: post #142
ctdonath wrote: post #134

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A first step. Won’t be long before the car goes to the repossession lot itself. Tesla is evolving country music: not only will your girl leave you, so will your truck.

Ha. Though my guess is, once self-driving is reliable enough to do that, the economics of car ownership are going to flip completely. It won't make sense anymore to have a car that spends most of its time sitting unused in your garage.

People keep saying this, but I don't get it. The majority of your possessions spend most of their time sitting idle. Even if I just look at the higher value ones: my riding lawnmower gets used for a couple of hours every few weeks, my garden tractor/snowblower even less frequently, then I've got a trailer, a truck, miscellaneous tools, etc.

I could rent every single one of these, but don't because the economics don't make sense, and the use model would otherwise lead to a lot of inconvenience.

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Post by reaperducer »

wolrah wrote: post #218
Datenstrom wrote: post #209

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From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

> where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America Twistiest, maybe. Most dangerous, not even close unless you or someone driving towards you do something dumb. Historically Autopilot's weak spots have been crappy/ambiguous road markings, low speed corners on high speed roads, and large vehicles stopped on/across the road. This video hit none of those points. The lane markings are clear, the posted…

Twistiest, maybe. Most dangerous, not even close

It's just CGP Grey, not NHTSA. Hyperbole is to be expected.

I know he's a darling among the chattering tech class, but it's been several years since he jumped the shark from "insightful, carefully researched, and well thought out" to "just another vlogger doing and saying what is needed to get views."

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Post by latortuga »

jmkni wrote: post #239

I remember watching a Defcon talk years ago by Barnaby Jack (RIP) who warned of this exact scenario, but in a medical sense. ie. you take out a loan to pay for some sort of medical implant, you miss your payments, and they can turn it off. I can't find the exact video, if anyone has I'd love a link!

There's a movie with exactly this plot, Repo Man I think it's called.

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Post by travisporter »

soared wrote: post #164
travisporter wrote: post #150

I had a medical bill for a small amount like $60 sent to collections because they didn’t have the right address. Never called or emailed me. Judging by the comments here, the healthcare co would be well within its rights to pickpocket me.

What was the outcome? I am currently in the same situation.

I finally got my mail from the new renter and called and chewed them out. Had to pay the original bill.

Edit I chewed out the billing dept not the renter lol

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Post by msh »

adventured wrote: post #137
msh wrote: post #16

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A lot of law enforcement is privatized in the USA so a lot of things that would be very illegal in most EU countries is ok there (fx bounty hunters)

Bounty hunters are uncommon in the US and very little of the law enforcement system is privatized in the US. It's in fact rare compared to the number of government law enforcement officers we have (local cops, county cops, state cops, federal cops, prison & jail cops, specialized, etc). Having eg a private security guy working at your grocery store is not privatized law enforcement. That's the equivalent of a bar bou…

You are probably right when I say a lot, it was thought of as relatively to most of the EU.

But the fact that bounty hunters and "repo" like in the article exists makes it a lot to me.

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Post by aasasd »

Datenstrom wrote: post #209
015a wrote: post #198

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I'm pretty strongly of the position that high levels of self-driving are impossible for artificial intelligences to attain, because they're built by corporations. Driving is VERY risky, and involves an irreducible assumption of both risk and liability on behalf of the driver. Humans are natural risk-takers. Corporations are not; and any artificial intelligence a corporation produces is always, at some level of meanin…

From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

BTW, if anyone wants to experience the boredom of 18 km of turns among the trees, without actually going to NC/TN—there are custom circuits of Deals Gap/Tail of the Dragon for rFactor, Assetto Corsa and perhaps other sims. (Possibly ‘Grand Prix Legends’ was the first one to get the mod.)

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Post by skellera »

spike021 wrote: post #212
flutas wrote: post #189

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> Cars with remote summons features today basically just crawl forward a few metres to help you get out of a parking spot. Smart summon on a M3 (what the article is talking about) can back out and navigate parking lots... although horribly and slowly. But it's not just a straight line.

One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

While I’m not saying summon is a great feature, it would not have hit the things you’re mentioning.

Its major flaw is thin upright things like small trees or poles (although this may be better on vision only cars, I’m not sure). If it sees a person or child in its path, it’s just going to stop.

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Post by gonzoflip »

dangus wrote: post #231
gonzoflip wrote: post #176

I think the personal freedom and privacy implications of self driving cars with centralized communication are rarely talked about. What happens when your vehicle decides you can't travel to an area of civil unrest (for your safety), or refuses to drive you to the gun store?

I don't think this is quite that extreme of a slippery slope. For one, areas of unrest are already restricted by physical police and national guard barriers. For example, during the unrest in 2020, Chicago physically raised its drawbridges. Anyone who really wants to get somewhere difficult would probably choose a bicycle or legs, so you need physical police barriers in that case. Refusing to drive you to the gun sto…

Nah, I will continue to buy disconnected vehicles for as long as possible since I chose to live in a rural area of the country, and I expect my machine to start when I tell it to. People that live in Chicago or New York choose to give up their ability to travel without the need for the government that is their choice. And didn't the pandemic have a major impact on some public transit lines operation? Again I believe in personal responsibility and freedom, I choose not to have that level of reliance on others. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/06/nyregion/mass-transit-ser...

And while driving on public roads is not a right, I still want my vehicle to start regardless of the governments opinions on whether I should be traveling :)

I chose guns because it was something that large corps like to virtue signal about. Also, while the bill of rights does not protect buying guns at retail, most of the cries for increased gun control actually want people to be forced to buy firearms in a retail setting so that the transfer can be tracked in the nation DB, which does not happen with private sales.

Also, multiple cities literally shut down transit during the protests last year due to "safety". https://www.masstransitmag.com/safety-security/article/21140...

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

ljm wrote: post #232
asdff wrote: post #223

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To be fair it wasn't some conspiracy. The reason why people began using the car 100 years ago was that the car was becoming widely available and it was super convenient even in the days when roads were caked in horse manure. Even in the peak of the streetcar era, the private car was the best way around town, and as more people bought more cars, it continued to dominate as the streetcar would be bogged down in traffic…

There was _a_ conspiracy, or at least Wikipedia refers to it as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... . That is to say, there's enough there to suggest that this wasn't the free market answering solely to consumer demand.

Regardless of whether or not there was a conspiracy, I think the last 100 years of private vehicle ownership in the US have shown that solely due to the convenience, it would have happened anyway.

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Post by nomel »

dangerbird2 wrote: post #222
mikeryan wrote: post #213

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In the US a financed car is “owned” by the bank until fully paid off - which most of the time is a subsidiary of the manufacturer. A lot of Teslas are also just leased.

It's not owned by the bank until you foreclose, after which it's most certainly owned by the bank. As an aside, how often is it for the manufacturer/dealer to own the bank that issues auto loans. I got mine from Capital One, and I assumed most auto loans outside of the sketchy loanshark used car dealers were issued by the big national banks

Why is this comment being downvoted? It appears to be correct.
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