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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by notreallyserio »

Larrikin wrote: post #186
notreallyserio wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hopeful that by the time cars can be automatically repossessed without a human operator they'll have set up a network of on-demand rentals and I won't have to worry about car ownership and all the nonsense it entails.

Do you actually prefer the subscription hell we are in now with companies like Adobe deciding we can no longer actually own any software and have to continuously rent it? Google actually seems like they will be first to full self driving. My biggest fear is that they continue to have zero interest in being an actual car company and keep all their Waymo tech locked behind their taxis and Lyfts are replaced by Waymos w…

> Do you actually prefer the subscription hell we are in now with companies like Adobe deciding we can no longer actually own any software and have to continuously rent it?

No, I don't prefer software subscriptions with monthly fees. I don't find the "maintenance" required for software annoying or onerous. However, I really don't like car maintenance. Waiting for an oil change, tire replacement or rotation, or really any repair is the worst part of car ownership and I could die happy never having to do any of that again. I don't place a lot of value on ownership in general because of maintenance or storage burdens.

I do like pay-as-you-go for most of the stuff I use, for whatever it's worth. Food, electricity, gas, that sort of thing. I use cabs when I go on vacation and look for opportunities to travel by bus, train, or plane instead of driving. A self-serve on-demand auto rental service would be ideal, for me.

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Post by dangerbird2 »

mikeryan wrote: post #213
Ajedi32 wrote: post #204

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The "main issue" is that Tesla is even able to assist the bailiffs in this manner. If a remote party can, by design, lock you out of your car and take control of it without your consent, do you even really own the vehicle in the first place? Others have argued "well, you don't own the car, the bank does", but unless Tesla is somehow unable to do this with cars not owned by a lienholder, that's kinda beside the point…

In the US a financed car is “owned” by the bank until fully paid off - which most of the time is a subsidiary of the manufacturer. A lot of Teslas are also just leased.

It's not owned by the bank until you foreclose, after which it's most certainly owned by the bank.

As an aside, how often is it for the manufacturer/dealer to own the bank that issues auto loans. I got mine from Capital One, and I assumed most auto loans outside of the sketchy loanshark used car dealers were issued by the big national banks

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Post by asdff »

ljm wrote: post #210
romwell wrote: post #177

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Imagine, now, that self-driving combined with Uber pool, so that people who need to get from and to the same destinations at the same time (as is typical for commutes) would be able to share the ride. Imagine then making those vehicles larger to enable not only a decrease in traffic, but an increase in housing density, local infrastructure in walking distance, and economic growth. Imagine if we then realized we could…

Imagine how different the US would be if it was Big Public Transportation that lobbied to have towns and cities designed around them, rather than the car industry. Walking, cycling, buses, trams, trains, etc. etc. You'd still have cars but they wouldn't be a basic need for survival like they're often treated as, because you can't get anywhere without one. Because it was basically 100 years ago when the car industry s…

To be fair it wasn't some conspiracy. The reason why people began using the car 100 years ago was that the car was becoming widely available and it was super convenient even in the days when roads were caked in horse manure. Even in the peak of the streetcar era, the private car was the best way around town, and as more people bought more cars, it continued to dominate as the streetcar would be bogged down in traffic just like a bus today. Intercity passenger rail also didn't stand much of a chance against the convenience and speed of the jet age.

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Post by prmoustache »

maxdo wrote: post #181
prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

Why would I want so? I want to warm up/cool the car before i get into it, listen for the music without plugging my phone every time , have a decent gps that is free, notify me about traffic, tell me if the charging station i'm going to is busy, alert me if someone is breaking in into my car. Heck I can even check the camera's from my App so I don't need to run if this is false alarm. I can even say something to this…

These kinds of features could, and should be optionnally usable by connecting your car to an open source self hosted server.

There is no need to send everything to the manufacturer and a way to avoid that should be mandatory.

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Post by bombcar »

Datenstrom wrote: post #209
015a wrote: post #198

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I'm pretty strongly of the position that high levels of self-driving are impossible for artificial intelligences to attain, because they're built by corporations. Driving is VERY risky, and involves an irreducible assumption of both risk and liability on behalf of the driver. Humans are natural risk-takers. Corporations are not; and any artificial intelligence a corporation produces is always, at some level of meanin…

From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

Whilst impressive, that's also a "pretty good setup" for the Tesla - the yellow line is well marked as is the white line; and the Tesla isn't speeding.

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Post by defaultprimate »

mschuster91 wrote: post #120
323 wrote: post #104

The police should also have the capability of remotely stopping a running away car. Hopefully this feature will be standardized.

Jesus no. The potential for abuse is just way too high. We can't even trust cops to not stalk random women [1] or to not beat up their family [2] - giving them even more possibilities to conduct crimes is not a good thing. Not to mention: what the police can exploit, so can attackers. [1]: https://psmag.com/news/stalker-cop-police-protection-danger-... [2]: https://sites.temple.edu/klugman/2020/07/20/do-40-of-police-…

I agree that this capability should never, ever be in the hands of the state, but don't extrapolate isolated instances and debunked statistics about the police as truths. Your own article demonstrates one of the major flaws of the domestic violence statistic, but doesn't discuss the most egregious methodological flaw: the criteria used for domestic violence, which includes shouting in the cited study.

Cops are sourced from the general population, so incidence rates need to be compared to the general population, and you'll find that police have significantly lower "negative" behaviors compared to the general population in virtually all aspects. That doesn't mean they should be allowed to remotely disable your car though.

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Post by hellomyguys »

Datenstrom wrote: post #209
015a wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty strongly of the position that high levels of self-driving are impossible for artificial intelligences to attain, because they're built by corporations. Driving is VERY risky, and involves an irreducible assumption of both risk and liability on behalf of the driver. Humans are natural risk-takers. Corporations are not; and any artificial intelligence a corporation produces is always, at some level of meanin…

From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

Following a well-marked winding road is not a difficult challenge for self-driving cars. Driving in a city, with bus lanes, light rail, bikers, and pedestrians is much harder.

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Post by LightG »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #143
LightG wrote: post #24

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This is my problem with it. Not that payments shouldn't be kept up to date. But that it moves decision making on the issue to a corporate entity a million miles away and you can bet there won't be any accounting for personal situations, or admin errors, or anything else. Your car will just be gone. Sorry, f@ck tesla on this.

No, there are consumer protection laws in most, if not all, states that require a period of notification and discussion prior to repossession. When a car is repossessed it should never be a surprise to the "owner."

With respect, I've seen the suprise element happen too often for it to be considered rare (possibly different country, different legalities, but still, it's a global company.

Mail goes to the wrong address, e-mail ends up in spam (looking at you, Google), a pin code is lost, meaning you need time to identify yourself or etc etc etc and you're basically lucky or not as to you you're dealing with as to how it gets resolved.

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Post by greenshackle2 »

stevewodil wrote: post #9
causi wrote: post #3

Should this be illegal? No, probably not. Is this the future I want to live in? Also no.

Seriously, they chase down normal cars for repossession I don’t feel strongly that this is all that different than it getting towed from your driveway. Would I be really annoyed if it was my car? Yeah, but at the same time it’s up for repo either way. We already knew that Tesla HQ can control the cars for service and such

Not only that, some lots that sell to high risk buyers (e.g. buy here pay here) already install GPS devices on their cars:

https://passtimegps.com/industries/bhph/

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