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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by nogridbag »

authed wrote: post #101
prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

From 2014: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1 I too wish that there would be an easy way to disconnect my car (it is of zero use to me).

It may be preferable to have some automated system that fines you for excessive speeding versus the alternative: police with guns. At least in the United States.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by beervirus »

prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

I mean I already bring my phone with me on those errands. My location isn’t exactly a secret.

It sucks, and I hate it. But the car isn’t any additional problem.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by beervirus »

gonzoflip wrote: post #188
test6554 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ramming into protesters vehicle package should be selected at time of purchase and will cost an extra $74.99.

Hmmm, I feel like this reply is making light of other's deaths. I was more talking about the ability to attend a protest. I believe in personal freedom, as well as personal responsibility.

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by w0m »

flutas wrote: post #189
chrisseaton wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> someone with the key can now remote summon the car Cars with remote summons features today basically just crawl forward a few metres to help you get out of a parking spot. They aren't self-driving across town to a repossession lot, if that's what you're thinking.

> Cars with remote summons features today basically just crawl forward a few metres to help you get out of a parking spot. Smart summon on a M3 (what the article is talking about) can back out and navigate parking lots... although horribly and slowly. But it's not just a straight line.

You can do dumb summon (straight forward/backword) with the key; not smart summon. The description in the article is consistent with what you could do with the key; likely article author misunderstanding the feature (easy mistake).

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by natch »

prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

I'm not sure what would break if it was offline.

I do know you can drive the car while the computer is rebooting (when it's rebooting the screen is completely black and you have to gauge your speed by comparison to other cars the road), so in theory it seems you don't need the computer for basic driving, which would suggest maybe what you say is also possible, if there's a setting for it.

I haven't checked because I like the benefits of being connected — starting and stopping a charge remotely, seeing the state of charge while it's charging somewhere far away, opening / closing windows, unlocking the car, flashing lights or honking horn to locate car, preheating, and coming soon, seeing car's location on a map when it's being driven by someone else, viewing live dash cam (sentry) footage while the car is parked remotely, etc. etc.

I mean I do see your point but I've listed some of the benefits, and life is full of tradeoffs. I'm not saying that the takeoffs that work for me would ever in a million years work for you.

It would also be great if all of the above could be done through a neutral third party or through one's own server. But as a startup that was struggling at the beginning, that probably wasn't the low hanging fruit for Tesla to work on, and there are benefits for Tesla to having the connection be to Tesla. And some of those benefits accrue indirectly back to consumers through safer cars, better accountability for accidents, and better data for future self driving software.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

akvadrako wrote: post #110
prmoustache wrote: post #41

As a bicycle and old motorcycles user I am gobsmacked that so much people accept that the vehicule they are using is connected or regularly phone home to the manufacturer. I guess if you share all your life on facebook and instagram, why shouldn't you also give away all your errands to any third party. Is there at least a license agreement you are showned at and have to agree to upon delivery? Can you operate those v…

I'm not sure how your bicycle usage is relevant. Many new electric bikes also have GPS + SIM tracking.

>Many new electric bikes also have GPS + SIM tracking.

A few.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by izacus »

test6554 wrote: post #184
izacus wrote: post #169

So at what point will Teslas also start snitching on their own owners and other drivers for driving too fast, being in the wrong place at the time a crime happened and reporting copyrighted music played in the wrong country? Is there already a design doc for that somewhere in Teslas ticketing system?

Once all cars are self-driving, I doubt they will exceed the speed limit by much. But perhaps speed limits will increase in some places.

Well, the autopilot cameras can easily report OTHER drivers not driving correctly.

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Post by 015a »

aasasd wrote: post #190

A bunch of years ago, when Tesla and Google's car were only just starting and it was fashionable to discuss the implications of self-driving cars, one dude wrote (approximately): > People are discussing: if the car has to choose between running over a pedestrian and sacrificing the driver's life, what should it choose? Well it's obvious: the driver pays for the car, so they wouldn't buy a car that kills them in case…

I'm pretty strongly of the position that high levels of self-driving are impossible for artificial intelligences to attain, because they're built by corporations. Driving is VERY risky, and involves an irreducible assumption of both risk and liability on behalf of the driver. Humans are natural risk-takers. Corporations are not; and any artificial intelligence a corporation produces is always, at some level of meaningful abstraction, a projection of their own values.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

test6554 wrote: post #184
izacus wrote: post #169

So at what point will Teslas also start snitching on their own owners and other drivers for driving too fast, being in the wrong place at the time a crime happened and reporting copyrighted music played in the wrong country? Is there already a design doc for that somewhere in Teslas ticketing system?

Once all cars are self-driving, I doubt they will exceed the speed limit by much. But perhaps speed limits will increase in some places.

To be honest I would quite like it if cars couldn't speed whilst passing my house.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

k8sToGo wrote: post #5
aneutron wrote: post #4

While this is an "interesting" story, I'd love to get some verification on it. It sounds plausible, but almost illegal ? I'm in EU so don't know how really things work over there, but I would assume Tesla would need a judicial order siding with the bank to be able to do this ? I mean it's probably not the wild west over there. Or is it ?

We do not have Repo in EU like they do in the US.

This doesn't fall under the remit of the EU.
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