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Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by jeza »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #95
jeza wrote: post #12

Apparently it's more of a copyright issue than the 2-click process. They don't like their logo being used on a locally hosted image. So heise.de made the button more generic and it's all good now.

Are you pointing out that this is what they are saying, or do you believe that? The worst thing that could happen before is that Facebook would change their CI and the button would be outdated, looking dated. Now the button looks crappy from the start.

That's my interpretation of the following update posted by the original source (heise.de):

"[2. Update: Mittlerweile äußerte sich erneut Tina Kulow von Facebook Deutschland. In einem Tweet schrieb sie: "Um es klar zu stellen: 2-klick-Button ist nicht ideal - aber kein Problem. Nur ein Like-Button der grafisch so tut als ob er einer ist, ist nicht ok. Das ist alles." Nachdem heise online dem Button für den ersten Click, der die Like-Funktion aktiviert, ein verändertes Design gegeben hat, sollte demnach der weiteren Nutzung des 2-Click-Buttons durch heise online und andere Websites auch von Seiten Facebooks nichts mehr im Wege stehen.] (ju) "

So it says the two click button is not ideal, but not a problem. Though the graphic on the Like-Button is not okay, and so on.

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by alexqgb »

hollerith wrote: post #96
alexqgb wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike Germans - who had the Statsi to contend with, and before that the SS - Americans have never been exposed to a genuine, law-unto-itself, every-phoneline-tapped, free-to-kidnap-torture-and-kill secret police force. One of the clearest lessons learned is that once these things take root, they are incredibly hard to dislodge. When they do go, it's only due to truly cataclysmic change. What naive Americans may rega…

You mean Gestapo, not SS.

Correct - thank you.

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by comex »

beagle3 wrote: post #87
old-gregg wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of outrage is the phenomena here, not the lack of respect for privacy. It's not that Americans don't value privacy, I think we do. Rather, it is the general attitude against outrage or, perhaps, against complaining, what differentiates the US from Europe. The country doesn't have a healthcare system for citizens outside of the military, and there's no outrage. Does this mean "there is strong evidence that USA as…

I beg to differ. You may tell that to yourself and feel better (and many Americans do), but in the grand scheme of actions-speak-louder-than-words world we live in, there is no evidence for the American respect for privacy. > Does this mean "there is strong evidence that USA as a nation" doesn't value not dying? No, but it does mean that the country does not value a social safety net as much as it values monetary pro…

Why the contempt? For each of these issues, a decent fraction of the population will make a reasonable argument for change, and a similarly sized fraction will make a reasonable argument against change, or at least against the type of change proposed by the other side (dissatisfaction itself is universal enough).

In the case of socialized health care, especially, a majority of the population is violently against it, and while I disagree with most of the arguments, they are neither unreasonable nor apathetic.

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by rhizome »

freakwit wrote: post #84
rhizome wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Facebook (or Google) ever had a "privacy misstep" that was an error on the side of too-tight privacy?

Yes, but nobody knows about it.

Is that a "misstep," then? It seems to me that the logic of a too-tight misstep would be that the information simply does not get out. What would be the reason for FB (or whoever) to notice that too little of my information is getting out? I suppose the "misstep" is in the eye of the beholder. :)

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by beagle3 »

comex wrote: post #103
beagle3 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg to differ. You may tell that to yourself and feel better (and many Americans do), but in the grand scheme of actions-speak-louder-than-words world we live in, there is no evidence for the American respect for privacy. > Does this mean "there is strong evidence that USA as a nation" doesn't value not dying? No, but it does mean that the country does not value a social safety net as much as it values monetary pro…

Why the contempt? For each of these issues, a decent fraction of the population will make a reasonable argument for change, and a similarly sized fraction will make a reasonable argument against change, or at least against the type of change proposed by the other side (dissatisfaction itself is universal enough). In the case of socialized health care, especially, a majority of the population is violently against it,…

> a decent fraction of the population will make a reasonable argument for change

That's how it works in theory. In practice, there is one party (Lobbyists) with two representations, Democrats and Republicans. This guarantees that everyone keeps arguing about supposed merits (mostly about things like gay marriage and legal abortions, which make little difference overall, but occasionally also about things that do matter like health care), but little gets done on any argued front, while in the meantime wars and patriot acts happen.

I'm sure reasonable arguments can be made for both sides, e.g. on the health care debate. But I've listened and looked for them, and never heard them (on either side). I'm familiar with reasonable arguments on the "for" side for socialized health care. I haven't managed to find a reasonable argument for the "against" side. (By reasonable, I mean based on facts and comparison to other countries who have implemented similar programs ..... e.g. the entire western world except the US).

> a majority of the population is violently against it, and while I disagree with most of the arguments, they are neither unreasonable nor apathetic.

I remember reading about >50% support FOR one-payer system (the way Canada and the UK run theirs), before the rulers (eh, sorry, "leaders") decided it's not even on the table.

I would really like to hear some of these reasonable arguments against.

The contempt is from actually living in the US, talking to people daily who believe that they live in a democracy, or that their government is working to benefit them in any way.

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by manson »

yuvadam wrote: post #4

Friendly reminder, blocking all and any of Facebook's pre-click tracking measures can be implemented easily in AdBlock Plus (or any equivalent ad blocker) with the following rules: ||facebook.com^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||facebook.net^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||fbcdn.com^$domain=~facebook.com|~facebook.net|~fbcdn.com|~fbcdn.net ||fbcdn.net^$domain=~fa…

There's a new add-on for Firefox:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2-click-like/

Sweeet :-)

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by mason2 »

rudiger wrote: post #30

Is there an open-source implementation of this two-click system for Facebook's Like button (and others like Google's +1 and Twitter's tweet button)?

For Firefox there's an add-on, take a look:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2-click-like/

It supports five or six like buttons.

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by mason2 »

cpeterso wrote: post #94
rjd wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a few plugins to handle this, check out: http://www.ghostery.com/ http://open-bits.com/shellfish/ http://webgraph.com/resources/facebookblocker/ With ad block it cleans pages up like you wouldn't believe. Many sites actually become readable :O

What does Facebook Blocker do that Ghostery (combined with AdBlock Plus) doesn't? Are these redundant extensions?

What about an add-on designed with the only purpose of implementing this 2-Click solution?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2-click-like/

:)

Re: Facebook doesn't like privacy countermeasures

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Post by divtxt »

nikcub wrote: post #97
waqf wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! The only reason I am still using Firefox instead of Chromium is the availability of RequestPolicy.

I have heard that a lot - which is why I want to get a release out asap

Don't burn out for asap. We'll still be here. :)
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