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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by yololol »

croes wrote: post #195
yololol wrote: post #174

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Exactly. Moreover, countries that support Taiwan don't do it to liberate "poor Taiwanese people from bad China's tyranny". Instead, they will use that as an excuse to back actions that support their own national interests. Exactly like what China does. Personally I understand everyone's point of view in this game, yet I wish Taiwanese people could be left alone to live as they wish. What's certain is that it's a more…

By Taiwanese, do you mean the taiwanese natives or the chinese people of the RoC that fled from the PRC?

I'd guess nowadays it doesn't make a difference

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Post by d3vmax »

dang wrote: post #590
d3vmax wrote: post #402

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PRC Shill alert!

Whoa - you can't break the site guidelines like this, and certainly not repeatedly ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29616354 ). We ban accounts that do this, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.

Hi dang, will be mindful to reply with more context, thank you for the warning. What can we do about commenters that spew misinformation or twist issues? Is there a report option?

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Post by ricardobeat »

uquercia wrote: post #194
ricardobeat wrote: post #166

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Reduced death rate doesn’t change the fact hospitals are overloaded and you might not be able to get treatment for other emergencies. > stay home > don’t tell me how to live my life I hope you see the irony there. If only it was that simple. You want to be out and about, unvaccinated, putting other people at risk, while the ones who took the vaccine and are trying to stay safe stay home? Yeah right. If you want to li…

I got three vaccine jabs and I am totally pro vax. But the unfortunately the majority of scientific data shows that fully vaccinated people still can spread Delta variant, because neither of the current vaccines has been tailored for Delta. For omicron this is probably even worse, since it is even more contagious. So I do not see how the narrative of COVID being spread by unvaccinated is true in the end of 2021.

You speak in absolutes, but it’s not like vaccines suddenly stopped working for Delta or Omicron variants:

> effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination

80-90% is still infinitely better than zero. The “narrative” of infection being spread by the unvaccinated (also usually non-mask-wearers which doesn’t help) is obviously true, as logic would suggest, and hospitalization numbers everywhere confirm. Most recent data suggest slightly lower protection for Omicron, around 70%.

Not to mention, again, that hospitalization is still reduced by 95%+ even if infected which makes a huge difference for healthcare systems.

[1] https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068848

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Post by d3vmax »

dang wrote: post #590
d3vmax wrote: post #402

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PRC Shill alert!

Whoa - you can't break the site guidelines like this, and certainly not repeatedly ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29616354 ). We ban accounts that do this, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.

I saw that you have warned whimsicalism to not flamebait. He also changed his original comment on which I commented that he is a PRC shill.

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Post by LAC-Tech »

nindalf wrote: post #569
LAC-Tech wrote: post #550

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This is a bit of a shallow understanding of things. They were a lot closer 6 years ago to annexing Taiwan than they are now. Diplomatic: Official allies matter less and less. The deepening unofficial ties with the US and Japan (I can cite examples here if you like) are much, much more important. If the current trend continues, ties between Taiwan and the US will be unofficial by name only. Dual recognition by stealth…

The US military isn’t war weary. The US public is. And ultimately any US politician who launches yet another war will likely lose their job very quickly. Obviously China is dependent on world trade. What’s laughable is not reading what I wrote, in that China can afford to lose trade ties with one or two nations, although not all at the same time. Whereas no single country can afford to lose China. That gives China th…

Any US conflict with China over Taiwan is not going to be a 20 year occupation of a territory that doesn't want them there. It would be primarily a naval/air conflict, and over rather quickly.

Which Chinese economic boycott was successful in achieving their goals? You surely can't point to the Australian one.

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Post by ChemSpider »

yorwba wrote: post #292
ChemSpider wrote: post #184

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Nonsense. The only reason why some Taiwanese do not want _formal_ independence now is because China is threating with war. If China would allow a referendum in Taiwan (accepting any outcome peacefully), there would be 90%+ majority for independence.

Actual survey results are a bit more mixed: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7805&id=6962 Support for moving towards independence has clearly increased a lot since 2018, but many people still haven't made up their minds yet.

That is because formal independence - as used in this survey - means a considerable risk of war with China. It is no surprise that people hesitate going to war when the current status quo is somewhat ok.

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Post by DangitBobby »

pphysch wrote: post #607
ericjang wrote: post #602

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Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Two questions, followed by a response to one of your comments: 1) On the Uyghur issue. If what you say is true, why is it difficult to get CSPAN footage in Xinjiang? 2) Is there a hypothetical future event or evidence that would shift your viewpoint to believe the "western narrative"? If so, what is it? > Women being lifted out of poverty became "genocide through birthrat…

> Is there a hypothetical future event or evidence that would shift your viewpoint to believe the "western narrative"? If so, what is it? A good start would be a motive for why Beijing would do a Holocaust against peoples within China. Hitler had a motive, you can read all about it in Mein Kampf . It was out in the open. There is nothing even remotely resembling such a policy by Beijing. On the other hand, there is a…

> On the other hand, there is a very clear motive for why Washington would spread misinformation about Beijing.

And the rest of the world? Why is the free press of the entire world conspiring against China? Or the free press in the US? Does Washington own that?

Anyway, we can only speculate on the motive. Ethnic cleansing? Perceived threat of religious beliefs? Who knows. You're gonna have to do better than "I don't think those are strong motives" to dismiss mountains of evidence.

Your long list if irrelevant facts is very impressive, there's no doubt you are well read on your history. The consistency with which you present these facts any time China's atrocities are mentioned is also impressive.

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Post by DangitBobby »

pphysch wrote: post #581
DangitBobby wrote: post #577

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Sounds like you've swallowed some propaganda yourself. "The mean old world is just lying about China." Kind of incredible that literally the whole world is conspiring against the truly good natured China because... Reasons.

Please substantively challenge any of the facts I laid out. > "The mean old world is just lying about China." It is a literally a core theme of modernity. Opium Wars, Yellow Peril, anticommunist crusades in SEA... Chinese civilization is a historical threat to narratives of Anglo racial/cultural supremacy like nothing else.

My substantive rebuttal is to dismiss out of hand the idea of a global conspiracy to make the really good guy actually look like a bad guy.

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Post by Krasnol »

VictorPath wrote: post #354
puzzlingcaptcha wrote: post #306

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The parent you are responding to has a very colorful comment history too, with a certain theme to it. Strangely only in political threads.

> political threads I thought this was a discussion site about "hacking and startups". If there's enough daily top of the front page US/EU bash China/Russia/Iran/Cuba/Venezuela (put your developing country not bowing down to the west here) threads for someone to have a "colorful comment history", then maybe this new focus of the site can be updated in the about section.

I wonder if you're aware how transparent your strategies of derailment are here.

This is not twitter or something.

We see what you're doing.

It's not complicated.

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Post by ed_balls »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #156
hirundo wrote: post #77

I think the right response to these provocations is to assist Taiwan in protecting itself. Essentially we should reverse the betrayal of Taiwan by Nixon in 1972, when he withdrew the US nuclear presence there. This time, to protect from changing political winds, the nukes should be under the control of Taiwan. Nothing much else will deter China.

Taiwan could likely develop their own native nuclear weapons in a matter of months, if they chose to. They have a mature nuclear industry with several reactors, and likely already have plans for nuclear weapons drawn up.

If China would discover they are developing nuclear weapon they may choose to attack.

There is a rumor that Taiwan has rockets that are targeting Three Gorges Dam. In case of an invasion they may choose to destroy them which would result in millions of deaths of deaths. Nuclear weapons not needed.

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