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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

Jarwain wrote: post #159
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

What kind of things does your daughter play? Personally I wonder whether there's a big difference between playing YouTube stimulation videos vs logic puzzle/math/mystery games vs the latest dopamine-addiction-of-day game

I think so. We don't have tablets, but we let our daughter play plenty of videogames. There is no hard limit, the limit is when we notice herself "coasting" instead of playing, but in those cases it means she's bored,so she happily explores alternatives. Playing an engaging videogame has the result of her deeply describing what she is doing (yes it's very annoying to the parent that has to acknowledge every detail, but it's a price I'm very happy to pay), as well as stimulating her duplo-building skills ("I've built a level for Yoshi!")

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by Grustaf »

baxtr wrote: post #148
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

I have a friend who was always the best in his class at Uni and has become a lead doctor in a major hospital. He once told me that he used to watch roughly 2-3 hrs of television on any day when he was a kid because his parents needed to work all the time. He turned out just fine. I remember back in the day television was the bad guy in town. I wonder if iPads aren’t much better since they foster interaction and not j…

He might be fine now, but he missed 2-3 hours of childhood per day.

If I had to give up either my well paid job today, or my happy childhood playing outside, I would definitely be poor now.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by aspenmayer »

tehjoker wrote: post #223
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

A relative of mine works in NYC schools and routinely notes that whenever he subs in a poorer district the teaching strategy basically revolves around making students sit and behave so they'll learn how to be obedient unskilled labor when they grow up. They told a six or seven year old girl that she wasn't allowed to cry when she missed her parents and toys.

> They told a six or seven year old girl that she wasn't allowed to cry when she missed her parents and toys.

Oof. A teachable moment for the instructors hopefully becomes one for the student. Good teachers are amazing; bad ones are horrible at both teaching and learning from their students.

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Post by cdubzzz »

dang wrote: post #208
cdubzzz wrote: post #97

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> There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents. I know this is a poor form but fuck you. We work our asses off to give our kids what is generally accepted as a “good” upbringing and it’s hard. Hard during any normal period of time and even harder when dealing the pressures of the pandemic’s affect on…

> I know this is a poor form but fuck you. Please don't do that here, regardless of how strong and legitimate your feelings are. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yes yes. Sorry for the vitriol. As you say, emotionally activating (:

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by brainzap »

peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

they have to sell

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Post by hcurtiss »

gopher_space wrote: post #198
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #191

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That doesn't mean schools are under-funded. If it's true it implies schools are over-funded and some of their budgets should be transferred to social services.

What it means is that you can't compare funding between the US and other countries.

Then what's your benchmark for "underfunded"? How are we to determine whether we're getting value for our investment, or whether it's something other than funding that's handicapping the outcomes?

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Post by cco »

teloli wrote: post #247
syshum wrote: post #238

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It’s hard to find a discipline with “science” in its name that is actually a science.

Perhaps a new corollary to the axiom that no country with "democratic" in its name is a democracy?

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Post by rkk3 »

nkrisc wrote: post #187
WA wrote: post #174

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Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? And: How old is your son and at what age did you start the unlimited screen time policy? Because as you say, there is more nuance to screen time. It depends on the kid’s personality, the age, the environment, friends, access to outdoor activities etc.

> Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life. Thanks to the pandemic, my son has learned that screens can be boring, and it's not all that exciting anymore after too much time. He's learned to put it down and find somethi…

> Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life.

Not really... games are designed to be incredibly addictive, can be social activities and have much lower physical consequences/withdrawals from misuse. Don't find Rat-Park as a convincing explanation for why high schools boys might prefer Fortnite to Zoom Class.

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Post by garbagetime »

nkrisc wrote: post #187
WA wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? And: How old is your son and at what age did you start the unlimited screen time policy? Because as you say, there is more nuance to screen time. It depends on the kid’s personality, the age, the environment, friends, access to outdoor activities etc.

> Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life. Thanks to the pandemic, my son has learned that screens can be boring, and it's not all that exciting anymore after too much time. He's learned to put it down and find somethi…

I tend to agree- at the very least an important hypothesis to consider

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Post by redis_mlc »

colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

> we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions.

Here's what happened.

Fauci said almost immediately after putting himself on TV that his only focus was on the direct medical effects of corona, not on wider public policy related to education or the economy. Epidemiologists went nuts when he said that (to your point), but that's mostly been censored. (60,000+ doctors have signed the Stanford petition against Fauci.)

Trump did not fire Fauci because he didn't want to create a martyr, but that was a huge mistake. (Trump had a report from the DOE LLNL in May 2020 that indicated Fauci/Daszak were lying about the possibility of the lab origin.)

Fauci funded corona research at WIV, and other research 26 other Chinese labs.

In addition, he has refused to cooperate with Senate oversight committees.

Fauci is at the heart of the largest global scandal in history. He should be fired so that it can properly be investigated, a textbook written about his psychopathy, then he should be executed.

Actual solutions used in Florida:

"Ron DeSantis: Floridians know there will be no lockdowns"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XF5F2XrHHw

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