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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by whimsicalism »

neom wrote: post #395
whimsicalism wrote: post #387

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> need to be discussed equally, No, they absolutely should not be discussed equally. Darfur was an actual genocide, ie. a killing fields genocide. Native Americans were also killed at high rates, the "cultural genocide" came later. Equating the killing of millions of people from a certain ethnic group with prohibiting certain practices (like France prohibiting the burqa or public expression of religion, like attempts…

Well it's wrong in your book, but it's not in mine, so where does that leave us? Reasonable people cannot disagree? I'm a dimwitted plebeian? Shall we reach for the white gloves? Last I checked, folks were welcomed to their perspectives around here, we don't typically just go around telling people their opinions are "wrong".

Your point is self-contradictory.

It is my opinion that your opinion is wrong. You are telling me to not express that opinion.

But sure, we can agree to disagree about whether the killing of 6 million people of a specific ethnic group should be "discussed equally" with cultural genocide practices like Burqa bans in France, child marriage bans, or limits on having more than 3 children.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by d3vmax »

whimsicalism wrote: post #280
lui8906 wrote: post #266

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Look to their diplomatic behavior around the South China Sea for the last couple of decades.

The US views itself as the enforcer of UNCLOS for all navigable bodies of water in the entire world, a treaty it hasn't ratified. It has tons of military bases in the SCS, a region not even close to it, compared to the furor when it becomes possible that China might build a single military base along Africa's atlantic coast. It seems like a bit of a double standard to me. I wish a good faith discussion about China wa…

PRC Shill alert!

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by pphysch »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #393
pphysch wrote: post #377

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> The Korean and Vietnam wars had nothing to do with China, but the USSR. Frankly, this makes me want to stop reading right here. This is an outrageously ignorant comment. PLA participated in both wars, which bordered China, and backed the Northern factions. USSR did neither. But don't take my word for it. SecDef McNamara to LBJ: "1. US strategy. The February decision to bomb North Vietnam and the July approval of Ph…

Containing China by deploying troops is one thing. The US did deploy troops all over the world to contain advancement of countries under the USSR influence, or simply “communist” countries or governments, during that time. Starting a full on proxy war in Vietnam during the Cold War era is a completely different issue. Same goes for Korea. China wasn’t that big of a threat to the US. Pretending that it was, and that i…

Why do you insist on dying on this hill?

The Sino-Soviet split took place in 1960. Vietnam War took off later. The latter had virtually nothing to do with the USSR and everything to do with violently containing PRC. Read the linked White House memo above.

> China wasn’t that big of a threat to the US

Believe it or not, US strategists in 1950 were capable of planning more than 0-4 years into the future.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mytailorisrich »

lumost wrote: post #394
mytailorisrich wrote: post #360

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No. France's traditional stance is more independent non-aligned and it is in France's interest to maintain decent working relations with all sides. France was the first Western country to recognise the PRC, for instance. This was realpolitik and hopefully that will continue. Before every action we need to ask yourself what we want to achieve and whether that is actually achievable. This requires knowledge of other co…

Participating in trade with the PRC requires action to support the PRC through domestic censorship and diplomatic support on issues the PRC cares about (Taiwan). France has a choice in whether they choose to support the PRC or not - this requires stepping on red lines and facing the consequences.

There is no domestic censorship in France on China-related topics. As I wrote before France chose a long time ago to switch from ROC/Taiwan to PRC in terms of diplomatic recognition because that was the pragmatic and realistic thing to do for France.

France trades with China because it is in its interest to do so, not because of any 'support' for China.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mthoms »

baka367 wrote: post #252

A Lithuanian here Moral questions aside (as everyone here seems to focus on it), the people are split into roughly three camps: - Anti-vaxers: hate anything government because Vax-Pass, including the China oriented diplomacy - Libtards: love anything government and worship the leader of the main party. They celebrate this and openly bash China because their Leader said that it is good - Non-involved people - worry ab…

I stopped reading at “Libtards”. Which is a shame because it sounds like you might have some meaningful insight.

Edit: Flagged for pointing out that childish snark (a clear violation of HN guidelines) ruined an otherwise good comment? Ok, then.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by sudosysgen »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #372
sudosysgen wrote: post #344

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>Yeah, that's what I just said. In that case I don't see how we disagree. Of course it does matter. The invalidity is why the entire world was opposed to the US doing so. If the US wasn't in such a dominant economic and strategic position at the time it would have had to pay a much larger price.

My sub-point is America would deny the validity of China's invasion of Taiwan regardless of whether China's accusations against Taiwan were accurate or not, meaning the accuracy of such accusations isn't relevant. The outcome is the same. People in the EU might roll their eyes and say "ackshully china is right and taiwan really is making nuclear weapons" , just as they once rolled their eyes at America's bogus claims…

Well it's not about what they would to America, it's that they wouldn't help America economically or otherwise.

The USA and Japan alone against China in a Taiwan situation may simply lose.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by sudosysgen »

mthoms wrote: post #397
sudosysgen wrote: post #186

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The issue is that Taiwan is military necessary. If the US is allowed an outpost there they will use the encirclement to threaten China's security.

That’s a pretty bold statement. When has the US ever threatened China’s internal security?

Did you forget the Cold War before Nixon? The Korean War? Even today various officials in the US military are discussion how best to militarily contain China.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by whimsicalism »

lumost wrote: post #382
whimsicalism wrote: post #343

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I disagree if the sterilization is applied even-handedly as an application of their two-child law. I am skeptical that a lineage is being exterminated if, at minimum, they can have replacement level number of births. The Uyghur population is growing faster than the Han population is. But backing up a bit - really what I'm taking issue with is the word "genocide." We can call horrendous, human rights violating policie…

> The Uyghur population is growing faster than the Han population is. This seems to be the crux of your argument justifying the PRCs sterilization policy. As others have noted forced sterilization is a crime against humanity regardless of reason. Justification of forced sterilization based on a believed “correct” ethnic ratio is abhorrent.

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by vincnetas »

cosmodisk wrote: post #349
geff82 wrote: post #260

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What interesting software or locally producing electronics companies are there in Lithuania? I will by something from them instantly.

Software:NordVPN. Hardware: Deeper,Teltonika.

deeper.com (NSFW) is not the right site. deeper.eu is the correct one ;)
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