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Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
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Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#152I don't use any Facebook products and haven't for over a decade. It's nice.
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
What have they done apart from give me a free product?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27714103 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26846784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25730388 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24579498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22178917
1. So they're working to help people avoid becoming extremists?
2. 9 years ago they tested if they were affecting people's emotions
3. Like every communications tool, people use it badly
4. There's a button to stop 3rd party tracking
Blaming Facebook for your problems is hiding from your problems. If people are too stupid to avoid becoming extremists, why is that Facebook's fault, that's our fault as society for failing to educate them.
Maybe they should unencrypt WhatsApp so they can find the extremists more easily
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conversely, it wouldn’t really make sense for Signal to interoperate with apps that don’t offer the same level of privacy.
Even with E2E, if both platforms offered the same standarized encryption, would this allow for cross-platform messaging? Of course, some mechanism for exchanging of public keys would be needed as well.
I guess not since both platforms use centralized protocols.
With the Signal client being FOSS [1] and WhatsApp being proprietary, I also think that me using Signal to message someone on WhatsApp would still downgrade my privacy because I don’t know what the WhatsApp client is really doing with my message.
[1] In reality I don’t know that the Signal app on my phone is actually built from the publicly available code.
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27714103 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26846784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25730388 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24579498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22178917
1. So they're working to help people avoid becoming extremists? 2. 9 years ago they tested if they were affecting people's emotions 3. Like every communications tool, people use it badly 4. There's a button to stop 3rd party tracking Blaming Facebook for your problems is hiding from your problems. If people are too stupid to avoid becoming extremists, why is that Facebook's fault, that's our fault as society for fail…
> 1. So they're working to help people avoid becoming extremists?
Yes, just like in the Orwell's 1984.
> 2. 9 years ago they tested if they were affecting people's emotions
And never apologized or promised not to do it again.
> 3. Like every communications tool, people use it badly
Did you read the comments? A quote for you: Facebook recommend users to join groups, follow pages, and even shows content that is not from people you follow. So it isn't just a telephone company that allows you to make phone calls, it's a service that makes an editorial choice about what they show you.
> 4. There's a button to stop 3rd party tracking
How about stopping the first-party tracking?
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#156No, I always dismissed it until they had enough backslash and stopped pushing it. I still use whatsapp tho (along with Telegram)
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't run Facebook, Instagram or WhatsApp on my phone. I am not sure how hard it is to grasp that some people just don't use any of it. But I guess this is where you come to virtue signal about virtue signalling. Besides, when you boot up your phone and you see the Android logo, you're fucked anyways.
What is "virtue signal about virtue signalling"? If you don't need Whatsapp to communicate with your friends/family/colleagues then good for you. In my social circles Whatsapp is a must. Refusing to use it is almost like refusing to have a cellular phone, which is too high a price for me to pay.
> What is "virtue signal about virtue signalling"?
It's the jujitsu you did at the beginning of your first post. "People who chose the opposite of my choice are just here to brag about that and show us how concerned they are with big tech and privacy. I on the other hand have the stones to admit that I took the path of least resistance for convenience and there are many others like me that did the same that are just to scared to admit it. But I'm not - look at me!"
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27714103 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26846784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25730388 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24579498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22178917
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Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#159Can someone give me a simple non-cynical explanation on what the update in terms is about? From my understanding, it only pertains to communications with businesses and give them some Facbeook tools to manage their communications with customers.
A possibility that I can see is simply that they want to add a bot API which is just a simple rest API and not E2E encrypted. And if they remove the E2EE that means FB will be able to read all messages for businesses using their bot API. Correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that to run a WhatsApp bot you currently basically need to run a version of the whole app. No idea if my theory is correct but if it…
This was pretty explicitly explained by their representatives when this was all blowing up... and they actually DO provide the "library" version, it is just enough of an operations challenge for most businesses that they clearly got a lot of demand for a hosted solution tied to pages.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25875802
Re: Ask HN: Have you accepted the TOS that give FB access to your WhatsApp data?
#160I derive a small amount of pleasure from clicking the little x every few days. I have no idea if it does anything, and I imagine at some point they'll just decide I've accepted anyway but I have no intention of agreeing willingly. I like to think that somewhere in Facebook's offices there's a dashboard that shows acceptance rate and I'm doing my part to keep that small % of resistance alive.
I also stopped sharing my contacts with whatsapp around the time the whole fiasco started.