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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by manquer »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #86
Enginerrrd wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, it would require them to put principles over the profit of a few constituents. China's geopolitical strategy is brilliant. They see that their adversaries in democratic western countries are beholden to the quarterly profits of a handful of corporations. China, unlike any of the Western nations, WILL take a stand on their principles over profit (At least they seem to, but more on that in a second.) So, they've r…

> China, unlike any of the Western nations, WILL take a stand on their principles over profit Surely that's a joke, right? China, which still has the audacity to call itself a "Communist" nation, which is basically much closer to a Fascist system, with their authoritarian and state-directed control of capitalism? China has one primary governing principle, which is to keep the CCP in power. Their primary way of doing…

The principle does not have to be ethical or moral or consistent to a philosophy. What OP saying is china does the ability (and uses it) to make unpopular decisions both to Chinese corporations or people unlike other politicians who are beholden to either voters or corporations.

The kind of censure that Jack Ma had for example would be impossible to imagine to say Elon Musk in the US .

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

mtmail wrote: post #83
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources?

5min searching for sources ... Might be a mixup with sonic weapons. "An employee at the U.S. Embassy in Guangzhou, China, allegedly suffered mild traumatic brain injury after hearing a vague and abnormal sound" https://www.theepochtimes.com/with-sonic-weapon-attack-china...

Well, one should note that The Epoch Times is brought to you by the propaganda arm of the anti-CCP Falun gong.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by StopHammoTime »

callamdelaney wrote: post #30
jeidz wrote: post #5

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They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

We can definitely make do without rampant consumerism - thats all china enables.

Most underrated comment of 2021.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by tamade »

vmception wrote: post #31
lmilcin wrote: post #4

There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

Some elements of ROC claims the same geographic territory as the PRC PRC wants ROC on the same map as indistinguishable easy cop out for the rest of us then I would say still notice that visa policy is handled separately, and that requires continual education But as far as public recognition its super easy to just show one country, no need for grandstanding

Let's be clear, visas are handled separately because they are separate countries.

Maps are just political theatre. The vintage ROC map you are referring to also includes Mongolia and parts of Russia (Chinese territories that Mao/CCP ceded), but no one in Taiwan is seriously making those claims. Note the CCP lays claim over the SCS based on an old 9-dashed map made by the ROC.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by qnsi »

mantas wrote: post #88
albeva wrote: post #76

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While true, it is often ignored that combined EU does possess a huge, highly advanced and well trained military force. So more than that I'd hope EU can then put its squabbling aside and respong in unison to any military provocation as well.

How many aircraft careers does EU have? Especially after Brexit...

4, which is more than China has.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by bettysdiagnose »

Raed667 wrote: post #59
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #8

China pretending to be the victim of Lithuanian bullying really is a farce more ridiculous than usual.

The cynicism of China foreign policy never ceases to amaze

It's like they want the rest of the world to hate them.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by angrygoat »

mantas wrote: post #88
albeva wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While true, it is often ignored that combined EU does possess a huge, highly advanced and well trained military force. So more than that I'd hope EU can then put its squabbling aside and respong in unison to any military provocation as well.

How many aircraft careers does EU have? Especially after Brexit...

Seven: France (4) Italy (2) Spain (1)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_s...

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

albeva wrote: post #76
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #61

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If they did that, I hope they would coordinate the timing with America first. It would be American forces, not so much the EU, that would be helping Taiwan defend against the invasion that would probably follow.

While true, it is often ignored that combined EU does possess a huge, highly advanced and well trained military force. So more than that I'd hope EU can then put its squabbling aside and respong in unison to any military provocation as well.

Advanced weapons and good training, but lacking in the force projection in the Pacific department, relative to America anyway.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by FooBarWidget »

lmilcin wrote: post #4

There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

I think you greatly underestimates what Taiwan means to China. People in the west are quick to dismiss any claims by China on Taiwan as having any legitimacy, viewing it purely as expansionism. But regardless of whether the western view of that is right (or ought to be right), the Chinese don't view it that way: they view it as a sovereignty issue, as an unfinished part of the Chinese civil war, and as part of the US' efforts to militarily contain China. Taiwan is a strategic location on which the US's "first island chain" depends — China's entire life depends on it.

As such, China would rather fight the entire western world than to let Taiwan go. They would rather destroy all their relationships with the west than to let Taiwan go. It doesn't matter whether they will actually win or not — they are prepared to, and that's what we don't understand (or for some people: don't want to understand).

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