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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Europeans were quick to scorn Mr Trump’s policies but the reality is that China has been unfair in its trade practices. Also, losing liberty in Hong Kong was sad but it will be much worse if free Taiwan is crushed by CCP ambition. The West should have alot of introspection about which battles are the right ones to choose. How will history judge the current leadership of the West if they abandon Taiwan?

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Europeans were quick to scorn Mr Trump’s policies but the reality is that China has been unfair in its trade practices. Also, losing liberty in Hong Kong was sad but it will be much worse if free Taiwan is crushed by CCP ambition. The West should have alot of introspection about which battles are the right ones to choose. How will history judge the current leadership of the West if they abandon Taiwan?

If you are the referring to Trump cancelling TPP it was a dumb move that only emboldened China. The TPP was supposed to be the US and 12 smaller Asian nations vs China. TPP was created because of China's unfair trade practices and Trump dismantled it. No one needs to rewrite his history. The guy was a complete fucking disaster.

Did you miss the draconian international copyright regime that it would have put into place etc?

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

Yes, and that's the problem. The West will not go, and die without one xmass season, and a new Iphone 99. But Western elites all holding stocks of companies valued in trillions will do. I requires a healthy conversation in society about this. It will come to a time when people will have to decide what to do with these people. Potential adversaries now do things which just 15 years ago would've meant a real hot war wi…

I hate that China vs US thing comes down to race things, like it’s us white americans vs those bad chinese. Even American companies are now bad since they dare to sell to chinese people and only care about profits but not the fragile white american ego. It’s especially visible on Hacker News, asian bashing is so common but I guess it’s mostly due to demographics (right wing white americans mostly lurk forums like these, just remember how BLM movement was discussed here). What a farce

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Europeans were quick to scorn Mr Trump’s policies but the reality is that China has been unfair in its trade practices. Also, losing liberty in Hong Kong was sad but it will be much worse if free Taiwan is crushed by CCP ambition. The West should have alot of introspection about which battles are the right ones to choose. How will history judge the current leadership of the West if they abandon Taiwan?

Well the Chinese historians will praise the West leadership for the wisdom and restrain, so will the Western. The Japanese and Korean will be harsh, the rest of the world will file it under meh ...

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

I'm actually not sure why this is being downvoted. I'm not a fan of the heavy dependence on Chinese manufacturing as it comes at huge human rights/ecological costs (in that order), but companies typically care about the bottom line above all else. How the product is made is less important typically than whether or not it __is__ made. And it's a simple truth that right now a lot of companies are heavily dependent on C…

Because realpolitics does not work like that.

China is just as dependent on the clients of those factories.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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China pretending to be the victim of Lithuanian bullying really is a farce more ridiculous than usual.

Worst thing to happen to China since the Sino-Albanian split https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Albanian_split

Tragedy that upset geopolitics and trade relations for half a century

(sarcasm about China’s extra behavior)

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Why "evacuate"? Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat?

I can't help but wonder if the word was deliberately chosen for click-baiting --- the only three occurrences of "evacuate/evacuation", including the one in the title, are concentrated in the second and third paragraphs --- it is as if they are injected as a last-minute after-thought.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Europeans were quick to scorn Mr Trump’s policies but the reality is that China has been unfair in its trade practices. Also, losing liberty in Hong Kong was sad but it will be much worse if free Taiwan is crushed by CCP ambition. The West should have alot of introspection about which battles are the right ones to choose. How will history judge the current leadership of the West if they abandon Taiwan?

The reason EU considered Trumps actions dangerous is because (1) he went after symbolic stuff and (2) Europeans companies got caught in the crossfire and it severely damaged the EU economy in steal and aluminium sectors.

See also the ZTE and DanceByte sanctions. WTF was that about?

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are the referring to Trump cancelling TPP it was a dumb move that only emboldened China. The TPP was supposed to be the US and 12 smaller Asian nations vs China. TPP was created because of China's unfair trade practices and Trump dismantled it. No one needs to rewrite his history. The guy was a complete fucking disaster.

Did you miss the draconian international copyright regime that it would have put into place etc?

Right, that was why the US refused to join the TPP...

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

We can definitely make do without rampant consumerism - thats all china enables.
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