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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by vmception »

lmilcin wrote: post #4

There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

Some elements of ROC claims the same geographic territory as the PRC

PRC wants ROC on the same map as indistinguishable

easy cop out for the rest of us then

I would say still notice that visa policy is handled separately, and that requires continual education

But as far as public recognition its super easy to just show one country, no need for grandstanding

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #27

Why "evacuate"? Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat? I can't help but wonder if the word was deliberately chosen for click-baiting --- the only three occurrences of "evacuate/evacuation", including the one in the title, are concentrated in the second and third paragraphs --- it is as if they are injected as a last-minute after-thought.

> Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat?

Seems they didn't want to risk it.

> Not knowing whether the staff would retain diplomatic immunity, and not accepting its embassy’s demotion, Lithuania told all diplomats and dependants to keep their cards and leave the next day on an Air China flight to Paris.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by varjag »

mantas wrote: post #13
thegreatdukd wrote: post #3

> But the Baltic republic points to its long history of standing up to bullying foreigners, including Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union Not sure about that. Against Soviet Union surely, but Nazis not at all.

Lithuania did sentence some Nazis in 1935 to deter Germany in Klaipėda/Memel. Then managed to hold onto it till spring of 1939. Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland. In 1941-1944 people tried to stay away from Nazis and keep a fighting chance against Soviets once they’ll be back. For example Lithuanian SS division was never formed as in other occupied territories. While Germans did push for it, locals a…

> Then refused Hitler offer to join attacking Poland.

Which is more than what the ostensibly anti-fascist USSR did.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by paxys »

callamdelaney wrote: post #30
jeidz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

We can definitely make do without rampant consumerism - thats all china enables.

We = the people, maybe. However, the corporate class has a lot more decision making power over the government in most western nations, and they definitely cannot do without rampant consumerism.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by yardie »

tata71 wrote: post #22
yardie wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are the referring to Trump cancelling TPP it was a dumb move that only emboldened China. The TPP was supposed to be the US and 12 smaller Asian nations vs China. TPP was created because of China's unfair trade practices and Trump dismantled it. No one needs to rewrite his history. The guy was a complete fucking disaster.

Did you miss the draconian international copyright regime that it would have put into place etc?

I agree, it shouldn't have been in there. But that is only tangential to the reason why Trump pulled the US out of it. He despised China so much that he made sure to strengthen his personal businesses with them while simultaneously weaken the US trade partnership with their rivals.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ekianjo »

jeidz wrote: post #5
lmilcin wrote: post #4

There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

China's economy would crumble a little if it could not sell anything outside anymore. Imagine a few billions of people losing their current level of life in China... a good recipe for regime change.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ipaddr »

pokepim wrote: post #23
baybal2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and that's the problem. The West will not go, and die without one xmass season, and a new Iphone 99. But Western elites all holding stocks of companies valued in trillions will do. I requires a healthy conversation in society about this. It will come to a time when people will have to decide what to do with these people. Potential adversaries now do things which just 15 years ago would've meant a real hot war wi…

I hate that China vs US thing comes down to race things, like it’s us white americans vs those bad chinese. Even American companies are now bad since they dare to sell to chinese people and only care about profits but not the fragile white american ego. It’s especially visible on Hacker News, asian bashing is so common but I guess it’s mostly due to demographics (right wing white americans mostly lurk forums like the…

You realize many American are from Chinese decent.

Not selling to a citizen of China regardless of race (not all Chinese are from the same race) is much different than not selling to anyone who has a Chinese gene.

The nation state you think China and the US to be doesn't exist.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by 14 »

baybal2 wrote: post #11
jeidz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can. The western world can’t afford to be without China’s manufacturing, though.

Yes, and that's the problem. The West will not go, and die without one xmass season, and a new Iphone 99. But Western elites all holding stocks of companies valued in trillions will do. I requires a healthy conversation in society about this. It will come to a time when people will have to decide what to do with these people. Potential adversaries now do things which just 15 years ago would've meant a real hot war wi…

This is the truth the way I see it. I don’t care if I have to go back to coming over a wood stove with a stick if it meant stopping China. The only area of concern I do see is they provide a lot of pharmaceutical with the chemicals they need and they would not be able to produce the drugs they currently make. As for the rest, I’ve lived without a cell phone for decades I would love to go back to suck a time. Is there any other critical industries reliant on China and for what?

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by factorialboy »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #27

Why "evacuate"? Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat? I can't help but wonder if the word was deliberately chosen for click-baiting --- the only three occurrences of "evacuate/evacuation", including the one in the title, are concentrated in the second and third paragraphs --- it is as if they are injected as a last-minute after-thought.

Yes. China is known to use undisclosed radiation weapons against diplomats. US diplomats have suffered on multiple occasions.
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