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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by xxpor »

saltminer wrote: post #147
dreyfan wrote: post #108

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Hulu + LiveTV is $65 and Sling is about $50 and Youtube TV $65. These aren’t really comparable to standard Hulu or Netflix or Amazon Prime etc. It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company.

> It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company. It legitimately is way better than cable, though. Ignoring the disputes over fees, I once tried Spectrum's TV Android app (probably 3-4 years ago, I gave up on getting it to work), and this is what I experienced: * Refuses to work if a VPN is on * Must disable developer tools (doesn't matter if you…

On the other hand, 65 bucks a month is more expensive than my local Comcast package with the premium sports channels (which yttv doesn't even have the option for), plus Comcast has 4k live channels and surround sound. I think their feeds are also less compressed.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by brewdad »

taurath wrote: post #6
14 wrote: post #4

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I don't have YouTube Tv but your comment almost made me dry heave a little realizing we are back at square one with cable tv and bundling channels users don't want and forcing them to pay for stuff. I haven't had cable tv in years but seldom don't miss a show I want to watch. It is mostly all online if you know where to search. Also Canadian so no one comes knocking on my door for downloading.

Sports is the anchor by which unbundling won’t happen for a long time, especially with linear TV. This is partially because it benefits the conglomerates business models to have as many channels and content streams as possible to sell ad time on, and partially because for sports teams they can functionally name their price. In seattle, the brand new hockey team is only available through Root Sports, a smallish produc…

>> In seattle, the brand new hockey team is only available through Root Sports, a smallish production company owned by Warner media and the baseball team. You can only watch the new hockey team if you subscribe to a cable package or online cable package (YouTube tv etc).

It's actually worse than that. I've looked into it, because I'd like to watch Mariners and Kraken games in Portland (blacked out here too). Root Sportsis only available through cable providers and FuboTV or Directv Stream. No other streaming services offer it and there is no way to subscribe directly. It's a mess, so I generally don't watch the games or pirate them.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by 8ytecoder »

xxpor wrote: post #191
saltminer wrote: post #147

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> It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company. It legitimately is way better than cable, though. Ignoring the disputes over fees, I once tried Spectrum's TV Android app (probably 3-4 years ago, I gave up on getting it to work), and this is what I experienced: * Refuses to work if a VPN is on * Must disable developer tools (doesn't matter if you…

On the other hand, 65 bucks a month is more expensive than my local Comcast package with the premium sports channels (which yttv doesn't even have the option for), plus Comcast has 4k live channels and surround sound. I think their feeds are also less compressed.

And the YouTube tv interface is legit the worst possible interface to watch TV on TV. I’ve tried it in at least 3 different platforms and it’s a hot mess. The DVR offering is unbeatable. But again, they remove the ability to skip ads after a few days and replace regular TV ads with targeted ads.

Pretty much the worst of all worlds.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by awb »

asciimov wrote: post #136
awb wrote: post #122

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Yes it does: https://www.disneyplus.com/welcome/disney-hulu-espn-bundle

No, it doesn't. ESPN ≠ ESPN+ Live sports on ESPN isn't typically on ESPN+.

Yes, Disney+ bundle has live sports. Read the site:

> Stream live sports and exclusive originals on ESPN+

> Thousands of live events

> With movies, TV shows, and live sports, there's something for everyone.

They say it 3 times.

Maybe OC meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include ESPN, that would be a true statement. Or maybe they meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include major live sports events, but that wasn’t the claim.

Saying Disney+ doesn’t have live sports is an inaccurate claim. They do in fact offer live sports if you read their offering.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by brewdad »

asciimov wrote: post #136
awb wrote: post #122

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Yes it does: https://www.disneyplus.com/welcome/disney-hulu-espn-bundle

No, it doesn't. ESPN ≠ ESPN+ Live sports on ESPN isn't typically on ESPN+.

ESPN+ generally has the less popular teams and sports that aren't worth putting on the cable ESPN channels (ESPN, ESPN@, ESPNU, etc.)

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by brewdad »

ghaff wrote: post #155
nkozyra wrote: post #61

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Disney+ is another example of this. Derided prior to launch in late 2019 as having missed the boat, it's a massive force now. Same with HBO Max, which added even more user hostile behavior, but ... they have their content so it's working.

What's user hostile about HBO Max? The app seems to work fine, it's untethered from a cable provider, and it's simple to stream it to an Apple TV (or an Apple TV app).

Their Android TV app on my Shield TV is a tire fire. It's really the only reason I haven't committed to a full year discount. I'm not sure how much longer I want to deal with it.

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Post by 14 »

causi wrote: post #10
14 wrote: post #4

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I don't have YouTube Tv but your comment almost made me dry heave a little realizing we are back at square one with cable tv and bundling channels users don't want and forcing them to pay for stuff. I haven't had cable tv in years but seldom don't miss a show I want to watch. It is mostly all online if you know where to search. Also Canadian so no one comes knocking on my door for downloading.

Also Canadian so no one comes knocking on my door for downloading. Sure about that? https://www.thelawyersdaily.ca/articles/12443/copyright-trol...

I have heard this but last I heard, not sure a source or time to search right now, that the courts have been favoring our side and don't really want the average Canadian being sued. They are going after the commercial entities reselling these services like streaming site operators. The thing is to download only which sucks because it is not nice to be a leech. At this point in time very few people worry about it. Back in the day I used to download hundreds of GB per month in video games movies and tv shows. Now I will find the odd movie I never had a chance to watch.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by josephcsible »

saltminer wrote: post #147
dreyfan wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hulu + LiveTV is $65 and Sling is about $50 and Youtube TV $65. These aren’t really comparable to standard Hulu or Netflix or Amazon Prime etc. It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company.

> It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company. It legitimately is way better than cable, though. Ignoring the disputes over fees, I once tried Spectrum's TV Android app (probably 3-4 years ago, I gave up on getting it to work), and this is what I experienced: * Refuses to work if a VPN is on * Must disable developer tools (doesn't matter if you…

If Google actually cared about users, any of those first five bullet points would be grounds to ban an app from the Play Store.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by nkozyra »

ghaff wrote: post #155
nkozyra wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ is another example of this. Derided prior to launch in late 2019 as having missed the boat, it's a massive force now. Same with HBO Max, which added even more user hostile behavior, but ... they have their content so it's working.

What's user hostile about HBO Max? The app seems to work fine, it's untethered from a cable provider, and it's simple to stream it to an Apple TV (or an Apple TV app).

The service itself and the way they handled existing accounts through other services.

The plug was pulled rather abruptly

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by colinmhayes »

dreyfan wrote: post #108
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #104

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YouTube TV is a separate $65/month subscription. Seems like an absurdly high price relative to Hulu or Netflix, but it’s meant to compete more with local cable packages. Without the premium content, it’s hard to do that. I think the content providers know this and are trying to squeeze YouTube into giving more of their profits to the content providers. Either that, or to raise prices to be similar to cable. YouTube T…

Hulu + LiveTV is $65 and Sling is about $50 and Youtube TV $65. These aren’t really comparable to standard Hulu or Netflix or Amazon Prime etc. It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company.

My fam shares youtube tv with 4 people, so it's like $20 each. That immediately makes it far better than cable.
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