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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

Why do you say "probably"? Do we have any evidence on which to base our presumptions of the inner experiences of monkeys?

The extremely similar brain structure of all mammals?

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post #152

Don't know why people are so reluctant to admit animals are highly developed intellectualy. The cocncept of revenge is usually just denied, despite common observations. Wild animals, mostly, of course. Ask farmers - they'll have one or two stories of crows taking revenge. Even on humans.

The people commenting on the Newsweek page were saying exactly this, that there was a simpler instinctual mechanism to describe the monkey's behavior. Who knows why.

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Yes, but (without being a scholar of religion) I had always assumed that Hinduism was far older than its oldest surviving texts, just as Judaism, in some form, is older than whatever year we date the Torah to.

My read is that it's the other way around. i.e. what one could reasonably call Judaism is a good deal younger than the Torah, Hinduism a good deal younger than the Vedas. There are of course traditions within the religions that go back to those writings and further, but take that to its extreme and they all presumably stem from some ur-religion.

I guess like so many questions it comes down to how you choose to define and name things.

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In Singapore last week, an older man was taking a morning walk in a park and spotted a pack of otters on the path ahead of him. At the same time, a jogger ran through the pack and startled them (some reports said trampled one of the pups). The reaction of the pack was to attack the nearest human - the older man: As the runner ran past Spencer and disappeared into the distance, the otters instead set their sights on S…

Otters are relatives of weasels and badgers and like their relatives they are very aggressive.

I believe they are aggressive only to the extent of defending their territory or defending their pups.

In fact, all carnivorous animals can be aggressive. They are not aggressive like how a lion or tiger is to humans. Their main diet consist of fish, invertebrate and shellfish.

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The article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.

We have different words for different types of killing. We say “slaughter” when we’re talking about killing a farm animal for food, and “cull” when talking about killing animals for the purpose of population management. Likewise we have “murder” for intentionally killing a person vs “manslaughter” for an accidental/less-culpable killing, and “euthanise” to describe killing something that is already dying so as to end…

culling actually means selecting out from a group on the basis of some criteria.

harvested lobsters with one claw have less commercial value so they are separated out. They are sold more cheaply and called "culls". A difficult entry level university course in an academic department like Chemical Engineering could be used to cull the class of students down to only those who are serious about pursuing the field; in such a case, the culls are not killed.

it's the nature of metonymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy that the word cull can take on extra meanings depending on the context.

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post #174

In Singapore last week, an older man was taking a morning walk in a park and spotted a pack of otters on the path ahead of him. At the same time, a jogger ran through the pack and startled them (some reports said trampled one of the pups). The reaction of the pack was to attack the nearest human - the older man: As the runner ran past Spencer and disappeared into the distance, the otters instead set their sights on S…

FYI, he ran into the path of a pack of otters during his morning run and that is the reason why he was “attacked”. It is very possible he stepped onto an otter while doing that too, which would explain their behaviour. What is interesting is he lawyered up, fabricated a fantastical story and somehow got the attention of Western media, all to seek compensation from the park. (And how many people believed him) Play stu…

My comment is getting downvoted but I still stand by my opinion that otters are not inherently aggressive like how a lion or tiger is.

Extra care should be taken when dealing with wild animals, even if they look small and adorable. Running into a pack of wild animals is not something anyone should do.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Otters are relatives of weasels and badgers and like their relatives they are very aggressive.

I believe they are aggressive only to the extent of defending their territory or defending their pups. In fact, all carnivorous animals can be aggressive. They are not aggressive like how a lion or tiger is to humans. Their main diet consist of fish, invertebrate and shellfish.

Having dived with pacific otters, they are just plain aggressive. They seemed to genuinely just enjoy being mean.

Sea lions, on the other hand, are super pleasant and playful.

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> how strong are these monkeys? One, or even two monkeys won't usually attack or even threaten an adult male. Although, a monkey will easily beat an adult male human. They are like 2-3.5 ft, and weigh at least 20 kg. They are also sneaky. You will be bitten and scratched badly, and will be fighting for life. One monkey cannot lift a human. I have lived in a monkey infested area for decades, and I have never even hear…

> at least 80 kg Are you sure? That's on the big side for a human.

Need to correct. Thanks for catching.

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post #106

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> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?

I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

This world of ours has a tendency to evade equilibria
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