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Do you think this could change ?
Possibly but Hinduism is 4000 years old, so it might be a while before we see that change.
Where does the 4000 figure come from?
Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#112If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
Thanks for sharing this. What a read though I wish it had more details!
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If it's evil for primates to kill 250 dogs after one primate infant was killed is it evil for primates to kill 17 million minks because they could get a virus and theoretically spread that to primates?
Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. The end outcome was a ban on mink farms which is a pretty positive one for animal rights. I also think the e culling of all those minks was horrible but it's not as black and white as that.
That ban was going to happen anyway, but in 2024.
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#114If an instinct or circuitry around revenge can exist in monkeys, I wonder if humans can ever fully escape that tendency, or if it is just built into who we are.
HG Wells speculates about this in The Time Machine. The futuristic humans lost their revenge instinct and are helpless against their subterranean tormenters.
I don't remember the loss of the "revenge instinct" being a part of that book. The future humans had optimized for comfort/happiness so much that they evolved to be more and more docile and childlike. They lost their intelligence and evolved into stupid beasts again because they had no evolutionary pressure to become anything else. They didn't lose their self-preservatory instinct -- they just lost the only defensive tool humans have evolved that lets us compete/win against all other animals: our intelligence. Kind of like those birds in a New Zealand island that evolved to be too fat to fly, because the island had no predators. And then cats got accidentally introduced to the island.
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Deer? Those are from 500 pounds to over one thousand pounds. Oh courses a person can’t engage in a physical fight with them.
I'm guessing you're from Europe, because what you call Deer, the USA call Caribou or Elk, and what we call Deer aren't nearly that big.
Male deer with antlers routinely gore dogs where I’m from. Deer, not elk.
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#116If an instinct or circuitry around revenge can exist in monkeys, I wonder if humans can ever fully escape that tendency, or if it is just built into who we are.
When humans cull all the wolves in an area because they killed a child, we don’t call it revenge. We call it animal control.
The purpose of revenge is to cause pain.
Animal control tries to do just that, control. If a written sign would be enough, those wolves would not have been culled (except maybe the ones which actually killed tje child).
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#117If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
People have this funny idea that war is a human invention and that nature would be peaceful and quiet without us.
But it turns out ants and termites have been at it for probably over 100 million years: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/why-ants-and-termite...
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Strength doesn't come into the picture with monkeys. They attack by biting and scratching and often from hidden places like tree tops or rooftops. In many parts of India, the dogs are afraid to even bark at them. That said, adult monkeys are pretty big (3.5-4 feet) and aren't all that light weight. Anecdotally, a baby monkey fell into our neighbors house through bars on the roof and a group of almost 100 monkeys surr…
well, the anxious animals got the baby back.. I am certain the monkeys did not ask nicely! but let's look at it differently, the monkey pack acted together right away for the safety of the smallest one.. did they hurt the humans? the story does not say that; a more aggressive animal would certainly hurt a human right away for the sake of a small one.. but those animals have been hunted and removed.. +1 monkeys from m…
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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#119I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…
> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?
As a general rule, animals never attack first. When humans encroach the traditional lands of the animals there are conflicts waiting to happen. Monkeys are smart and usually don’t bother humans, unless it’s a matter of food or threat to their group.
Edit: I'm surprised at the downvotes, isn't human-wildlife conflict in Indian forests well documented?