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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by nkozyra »

thehappypm wrote: post #55
dageshi wrote: post #28

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I doubt it. If that's where they wanted to go, they've missed the window for it already. There's already too many streaming services like Netflix and consumers are already annoyed navigating them all. Plus they don't have the content and probably can't get the content because they'd be competing against Netflix, Disney, Apple, HBO and the other legacy media conglomerates all trying to do the same thing.

There’s little loyalty in the streaming world to platforms. Like Peacock appeared one day, has The Office, so tons of people said “sure”. I don’t think the timing is as important as the content. If you have stuff people want to watch they’ll come.

Disney+ is another example of this.

Derided prior to launch in late 2019 as having missed the boat, it's a massive force now.

Same with HBO Max, which added even more user hostile behavior, but ... they have their content so it's working.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by afavour »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #35
zinekeller wrote: post #31

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> Anything that hamper's Google's continued effort to turn youtube into the new cable TV is good in my book. You confused YouTube and YouTube TV, these are fully separate items despite its name.

I'm not. I know exactly what Youtube TV is and want it to fail. Was that not clear from my obvious desire to see TV die in general?

But Google aren’t turning YouTube into TV. YouTube TV is a separate product.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by Msw242 »

afavour wrote: post #62
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not. I know exactly what Youtube TV is and want it to fail. Was that not clear from my obvious desire to see TV die in general?

But Google aren’t turning YouTube into TV. YouTube TV is a separate product.

If I go to YouTube.com, they try to upsell me on YouTube TV. It's pretty clear what they are trying to do in terms of market motion.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #56
zzzeek wrote: post #52

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the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. therefore you can switch between any number of providers with no effort. Assuming the other providers can get their fucking act together techinically/user-experience-wise (YTV is like vastly better UX-wise, looks like PS V…

> the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. Last mile infrastructure is not what I find objectionable about cable TV, and last mile infrastructure isn't going anywhere anyway. I want this to die: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_programming and I don't care…

If you don't want to watch broadcast TV (I don't), don't watch it? I guess I don't get the hate. There are a ton of things I don't watch or listen to. And broadcast TV probably does now and then produce something I do want to watch on-demand.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by managerclass »

foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

I guess buying a TV antenna isn't completely free but it gives you the same benefit as these online channels, doesn't consume your data cap, and lets you watch sports and local news.

I bought a $10 antenna from channel master and it's been a great investment.

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Post by hashimotonomora »

zzzeek wrote: post #52
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37

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> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. therefore you can switch between any number of providers with no effort. Assuming the other providers can get their fucking act together techinically/user-experience-wise (YTV is like vastly better UX-wise, looks like PS V…

Wouldn’t a liberal naturally be in favor of individual liberties and freedoms, and by extension of the free markets?

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

adamcstephens wrote: post #40
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37

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> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

Is it really much better to have five $15 services to get the same content?

Well, in fairness, it really isn't the same content. Much of it is premium that wouldn't be on broadcast and it's all generally on demand. I dropped cable TV a couple years ago and while there's occasional live TV I'd maybe like to watch, overall I'm happier with a handful of on demand channels that I pay less for than I was paying for cable.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

ghaff wrote: post #64
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. Last mile infrastructure is not what I find objectionable about cable TV, and last mile infrastructure isn't going anywhere anyway. I want this to die: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_programming and I don't care…

If you don't want to watch broadcast TV (I don't), don't watch it? I guess I don't get the hate. There are a ton of things I don't watch or listen to. And broadcast TV probably does now and then produce something I do want to watch on-demand.

I don't watch it.

> I don't get the hate.

I live in a society with people who do watch it. I don't like the way broadcast TV turned people into numbed couch potatoes watching hours of ads a day.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by ghaff »

nkozyra wrote: post #21
treyfitty wrote: post #13

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…like cable TV?

Cable doesn't offer this, generally, because ESPN subsidizes so many other channels and Disney has a lot of power here. They strongarm a lot of providers and I'd be surprised if YouTube held out. They will lose subscribers.

It's not really because ESPN "subsidizes" other channels. ESPN is expensive. It's because sports is the primary hook for a lot of people to continue getting broadcast/cable TV at all outside of on-demand subscriptions. It's not enough of a hook for me to pay but, if I were to do so, it would be the main reason.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by nathcd »

foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

Wow, these look great. Don't need to sign up, and they don't even use EME. Have they been around for awhile?
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