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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by hx833001 »

technofiend wrote: post #8
14 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have YouTube Tv but your comment almost made me dry heave a little realizing we are back at square one with cable tv and bundling channels users don't want and forcing them to pay for stuff. I haven't had cable tv in years but seldom don't miss a show I want to watch. It is mostly all online if you know where to search. Also Canadian so no one comes knocking on my door for downloading.

Right? I used to just turn on YouTube TV for hurricane season for local coverage in case of a power outage. It's far easier to keep a cell phone charged than deal with a digital antenna (which might have been lost to high winds anyway) and relatively power hungry TV just to see what's going on. Then my wife started using the app too so I can't easily turn it off. Back when Big Ugly Dishes were a thing it was far chea…

Check for local news apps/websites and also national network news apps if they own your local station. Some provide access year round, and your local stations will almost certainly have live storm coverage. I can watch multiple local stations during a storm for free on Apple TV

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by zzzeek »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37
heartbreak wrote: post #26

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV. YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering. YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of whic…

> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. therefore you can switch between any number of providers with no effort. Assuming the other providers can get their fucking act together techinically/user-experience-wise (YTV is like vastly better UX-wise, looks like PS VUE has already been shut down, sad), there's no way a single provider can gouge captive customers for $180 a month, because you can switch freely. meaning it becomes a market again! even liberal democrats like me like markets when they are appropriate.

my physical cable to my house is provided by Altice One, I have no option to switch that at all (no there's no FIOS or fiber option here). that's a monopoly.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

adamcstephens wrote: post #40
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

Is it really much better to have five $15 services to get the same content?

You still don't get it. I want the "channel" format of media (programmed video content aka broadcast programming) to die. Whether it's accessed by paying comcast to watch it over a settop box or paying google to watch it through a browser or app makes no difference to me, it's the same format of content and I want to see it die.

And it has been dying. Look at the ads the roll between the shows and it's clear that TV watchers are aging out. It's all hearing aid commercials and malpractice lawsuits' the only people watching TV through a settop box anymore are the elderly. Bringing that same format of content to youtube's platform, to be watchable on the devices young people use (smartphones, laptops, etc) is a play to make this format relevant to young people again. I hope they fail.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by etempleton »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #45
foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

How is this legal? Do Pluto and Tubitv have some contract with providers that allows this? I remember a company named Aereo being sued out of existence because they were offering OTA TV to their subscribers by allocating an micro antenna to each user. The excuse did fly in court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo BTW, thanks for sharing!

They don’t run the channels you would get on cable. They are special OTT chanels and are ad supported.

You won’t get live sports or networks, but you will get a lot of reruns shows, second run movies, and news coverage that is a few hours old.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by thehappypm »

dageshi wrote: post #28
nkozyra wrote: post #22

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Disagree. I think YouTubeTV is a trial balloon for YouTube, an attempt to join the Netflix/Prime/streaming world. They piggybacked off of cable the way Netflix piggybacked off of rentals. Sports streaming is a massive point of disruption that's happening at a very small scale but I suspect we'll see more of it as these types of deals fizzle out.

I doubt it. If that's where they wanted to go, they've missed the window for it already. There's already too many streaming services like Netflix and consumers are already annoyed navigating them all. Plus they don't have the content and probably can't get the content because they'd be competing against Netflix, Disney, Apple, HBO and the other legacy media conglomerates all trying to do the same thing.

There’s little loyalty in the streaming world to platforms. Like Peacock appeared one day, has The Office, so tons of people said “sure”. I don’t think the timing is as important as the content. If you have stuff people want to watch they’ll come.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

zzzeek wrote: post #52
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure. therefore you can switch between any number of providers with no effort. Assuming the other providers can get their fucking act together techinically/user-experience-wise (YTV is like vastly better UX-wise, looks like PS V…

> the youtube TV model (which is also the Sony Vue (they're gone! heh) / Sling model) is nothing like the cable TV model, because these companies do not provide any last mile physical infrastructure.

Last mile infrastructure is not what I find objectionable about cable TV, and last mile infrastructure isn't going anywhere anyway. I want this to die: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_programming and I don't care what medium is used to transmit it. Whether it's a coaxial cable, radio transmission from terrestrial tower or satellite, or the internet, it makes no difference to me. The format itself is what I find awful.

> Sony Vue (they're gone! heh)

Yeah, because broadcast programming is a dying format for boomers. I celebrate the demise of all of it, and any company that produces it.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by mason55 »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #45
foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

How is this legal? Do Pluto and Tubitv have some contract with providers that allows this? I remember a company named Aereo being sued out of existence because they were offering OTA TV to their subscribers by allocating an micro antenna to each user. The excuse did fly in court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo BTW, thanks for sharing!

Pluto operates a model called FAST (free ad supported television). Because the content is still aired in a linear fashion (as opposed to on demand) the licensing costs are lower than it would be for VOD and there’s no infrastructure costs to support like traditional cable tv, they can support it with ads easily enough.

They don’t have regular channels and instead do all their own programming. You get things like “The Bob Vila Channel” and other channels that focus on library/long tail content.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by systematical »

paxys wrote: post #48
technofiend wrote: post #3

Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. [1] Your local ABC channel, ABC News Live, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, FXM, National Geographic, National Geographic Wild, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 (by authentication to the ESPN app)…

Curious what the remaining value of YouTube TV even is then. With most sports cut out is it really worth $50/mo?

No, I only used it during football season and now I'm out Monday Night Football. They had already made it harder to set my location to my teams local market (still possible with vpn + location guard but not on TV without chromecasting). With the season nearly over and the Giants season completely over I will probably just cancel early.
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