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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by tyingq »

foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

I suspect the appeal of YouTube TV is the built-in cloud DVR, mostly so you can skip commercials. I had YouTube TV for a while, mostly for local news. I switched to a local tuner/antenna with a DVR. I picked the Tablo product. The app could be better, but it does reliably record my local news and playback works fine. And it's quite a lot cheaper than YouTube TV, Sling, etc.

Though, of course, you have to be somewhere where an antenna can pick up what you want to watch.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by judge2020 »

ekianjo wrote: post #11
technofiend wrote: post #3

Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. [1] Your local ABC channel, ABC News Live, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, FXM, National Geographic, National Geographic Wild, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 (by authentication to the ESPN app)…

> Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. They could make several tiers: - Youtubers-only content: no big media included - Tier 2: the same + ABC, ESPN, etc... - Tier 3: same as 2 + exclusive content only available for Tier 3 subscribers would be a g…

This is another comment confusing YT with YT TV. www.youtube.com didn’t lose anything - tv.youtube.com did, which is cable TV over the internet, and it’s just like any other channel dispute that has happened in years past with traditional cable offerings.

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Post by tux3 »

adamcstephens wrote: post #40
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet And the sooner that dies, the better. Cable TV is crap and I don't want to see that model of media succeed into the internet era.

Is it really much better to have five $15 services to get the same content?

If GP answers no, does that mean these are the only two options?

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by tyingq »

comeonseriously wrote: post #34
foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

Does OTA not work where you're at?

A surprisingly decent US government provided resource to check that: https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

Edit: One thing to double check that surprised me is that the channel number these days doesn't reliably tell you if the channel is VHF or UHF. That is, a low-numbered channel like "3" or "8" could really be a UHF channel. I guess they let them keep long-established channel numbers for marketing purposes. So check what you really need before buying an antenna. The website above does provide the needed detail under "RF Channel".

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Post by throwbacktictac »

foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

How is this legal? Do Pluto and Tubitv have some contract with providers that allows this?

I remember a company named Aereo being sued out of existence because they were offering OTA TV to their subscribers by allocating an micro antenna to each user. The excuse did fly in court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo

BTW, thanks for sharing!

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Post by paxys »

starklevnertz wrote: post #9

Maybe all content creators around the world should form a union to fight against the big platforms. At the moment, any individual content creator is just a little xitch when it comes to the power relationship. All the YouTube creators, all the Apple App Store developers, all the Xbox developers etc.

Yeah, the small-time content creator called Disney definitely needs help to fight the big guys.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by jasode »

heartbreak wrote: post #26

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV. YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering. YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of whic…

>"I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV."

Thanks for the clarification. It probably adds to the confusion that the landing page for "YouTube TV" goes to the "youtube.com" domain:

https://tv.youtube.com/

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by paxys »

technofiend wrote: post #3

Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. [1] Your local ABC channel, ABC News Live, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, FXM, National Geographic, National Geographic Wild, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 (by authentication to the ESPN app)…

Curious what the remaining value of YouTube TV even is then. With most sports cut out is it really worth $50/mo?

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Post by foxhop »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #45
foxhop wrote: post #32

If you just want TV on in the background and don't want to pay anything, checkout "Pluto TV" and "Tubi TV", both have apps and may cast to Chromecast or SmartTVs. https://pluto.tv/ https://tubitv.com/ Friends help friends cut cords.

How is this legal? Do Pluto and Tubitv have some contract with providers that allows this? I remember a company named Aereo being sued out of existence because they were offering OTA TV to their subscribers by allocating an micro antenna to each user. The excuse did fly in court. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo BTW, thanks for sharing!

Yes they own license to broadcast, formed by legacy media companies.
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