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YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by nkozyra »

treyfitty wrote: post #13
ekianjo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. They could make several tiers: - Youtubers-only content: no big media included - Tier 2: the same + ABC, ESPN, etc... - Tier 3: same as 2 + exclusive content only available for Tier 3 subscribers would be a g…

…like cable TV?

Cable doesn't offer this, generally, because ESPN subsidizes so many other channels and Disney has a lot of power here.

They strongarm a lot of providers and I'd be surprised if YouTube held out. They will lose subscribers.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by nkozyra »

dageshi wrote: post #7
rvz wrote: post #2

Disney: No thanks, no deal and no ESPN for You(Tube). You simply need more of this for YouTube to listen these days instead of them banning its own users and creators. Just look at this typical ESPN fan: > “I will cancel immediately if you can’t work a deal,” The same will happen for Disney fans watching on YouTube and it is working. They'll just run to the Disney+ app instead.

I doubt Youtube/Google cares that much. It's not really youtubes core business, more of a side gig for a set of products (cable channels) which frankly are in the process of dying.

Disagree. I think YouTubeTV is a trial balloon for YouTube, an attempt to join the Netflix/Prime/streaming world.

They piggybacked off of cable the way Netflix piggybacked off of rentals.

Sports streaming is a massive point of disruption that's happening at a very small scale but I suspect we'll see more of it as these types of deals fizzle out.

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Post by [deleted] »

technofiend wrote: post #3

Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. [1] Your local ABC channel, ABC News Live, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, FXM, National Geographic, National Geographic Wild, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 (by authentication to the ESPN app)…

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Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

mrweasel wrote: post #20
taurath wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US American football only recently became available on streaming - it is currently $450 or $500 per season. You can go to a bar every week and have several drinks and a meal for that money. It’s a little crazy.

$500 a year is still at around half the price of cable tv where I live, if you want any sport, largest cable package would be $1213 per year. So you could get all the games you wanted to see, rather than just the ones the TV stations decided to buy, and still have money left over to subscribe to a few streaming services. Edit: Something something, cost of living. $500 is 3300DKK, which would let you go to a bar, have…

A meal and 5 beers cost $70 in Denmark? That's expensive.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by heartbreak »

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV.

YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering.

YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of which is called YouTube Premium.

These two services have very little in common besides the obvious branding and parent company. The contract/fee dispute is between Disney and YouTube TV, and the result is that YouTube TV is currently not broadcasting Disney-owned television channels. Disney content is still all over YouTube itself via their YouTube “Channels.”

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Post by mrweasel »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #25
mrweasel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$500 a year is still at around half the price of cable tv where I live, if you want any sport, largest cable package would be $1213 per year. So you could get all the games you wanted to see, rather than just the ones the TV stations decided to buy, and still have money left over to subscribe to a few streaming services. Edit: Something something, cost of living. $500 is 3300DKK, which would let you go to a bar, have…

A meal and 5 beers cost $70 in Denmark? That's expensive.

Sorry, haven't been out for a while, I was wrong about the price of beer. It has gone up. The five beers (0.5L) is $43.95, leaving $26 that's going to be a rather cheap meal, you're certainly not eating at the bar on game day at that point. You could get ribs or a burger at a restaurant, but you're a little short if you want steak.... And you don't exactly have money for a drink with your meal.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by dageshi »

nkozyra wrote: post #22
dageshi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt Youtube/Google cares that much. It's not really youtubes core business, more of a side gig for a set of products (cable channels) which frankly are in the process of dying.

Disagree. I think YouTubeTV is a trial balloon for YouTube, an attempt to join the Netflix/Prime/streaming world. They piggybacked off of cable the way Netflix piggybacked off of rentals. Sports streaming is a massive point of disruption that's happening at a very small scale but I suspect we'll see more of it as these types of deals fizzle out.

I doubt it. If that's where they wanted to go, they've missed the window for it already. There's already too many streaming services like Netflix and consumers are already annoyed navigating them all. Plus they don't have the content and probably can't get the content because they'd be competing against Netflix, Disney, Apple, HBO and the other legacy media conglomerates all trying to do the same thing.

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Post by matwood »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #25
mrweasel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$500 a year is still at around half the price of cable tv where I live, if you want any sport, largest cable package would be $1213 per year. So you could get all the games you wanted to see, rather than just the ones the TV stations decided to buy, and still have money left over to subscribe to a few streaming services. Edit: Something something, cost of living. $500 is 3300DKK, which would let you go to a bar, have…

A meal and 5 beers cost $70 in Denmark? That's expensive.

All the Scandinavian countries are expensive (when converting from USD), especially for alcohol.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

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Post by zinekeller »

heartbreak wrote: post #26

I’m really surprised by the number of top level comments that are confusing two different products: YouTube and YouTube TV. YouTube TV is basically cable TV delivered via the internet with some on-demand content and an “unlimited” DVR system. There are multiple tiers via add-on packages (just like cable), and there is no ad-free offering. YouTube is the video sharing website everyone uses. The ad-free version of whic…

I agree that the branding was confusing, but it seems that most HN commenters aren't reading anything beyond the headline.
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