funnilly enough, i still receive stuff like ; .recent - .0rDer .feeDBack. / . . / in my inbox. Thanks gmail!
Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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Same here. Had my own mail server for 20+ years. Occasionally tweak it when things change, e.g. SPF being enforced or DMARC. Registered in most postmaster tools, but at my rate of sending, this is only to have a chance of being herd if problems arise. There were a few blockages over the years, the last ones came from Microsoft: once in a while they refuse to use A records if MX is not present, or just swallow your ma…
I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.
I see a dozen spam emails per day at most, there are weeks when I do not see spam at all. This is not a big price to pay for independence. The rest is caught by spamassassin. I retrained it several years ago last time.
Sometimes I miss being part of a larger network of email providers that share spam signatures, but not enough to start searching.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#23In the last couple of months I’ve been receiving enormous amounts of entirely obvious spam to the spam folder on gmail. Like it or not things are misclassified so you need to keep an eye on that folder. I’m now getting 10-20 spam emails a day about bitcoin, missed delivierie etc. it’s as if they have made a decision to not filter those entirely anymore.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.
I see a dozen spam emails per day at most, there are weeks when I do not see spam at all. This is not a big price to pay for independence. The rest is caught by spamassassin. I retrained it several years ago last time. Sometimes I miss being part of a larger network of email providers that share spam signatures, but not enough to start searching.
> a dozen spam emails per day
Jesus Lord. I don't receive that much email in a week, legitimate plus spam combined.
I get what you're saying about independence, but using your own domain and pointing MX to any decent email service gets you 90% there with way less pain IMHO.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see a dozen spam emails per day at most, there are weeks when I do not see spam at all. This is not a big price to pay for independence. The rest is caught by spamassassin. I retrained it several years ago last time. Sometimes I miss being part of a larger network of email providers that share spam signatures, but not enough to start searching.
> a dozen spam emails per day Jesus Lord. I don't receive that much email in a week, legitimate plus spam combined. I get what you're saying about independence, but using your own domain and pointing MX to any decent email service gets you 90% there with way less pain IMHO.
How much of that difference is because your external email provider is silently swallowing the most egregious spam such that you don’t even realise they’ve done so? I suspect the folks who run their own are monitoring all the email with none being missed from their stats.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same here. Had my own mail server for 20+ years. Occasionally tweak it when things change, e.g. SPF being enforced or DMARC. Registered in most postmaster tools, but at my rate of sending, this is only to have a chance of being herd if problems arise. There were a few blockages over the years, the last ones came from Microsoft: once in a while they refuse to use A records if MX is not present, or just swallow your ma…
I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.
One vital thing is to not put your email address in clear-text online, especially heavily indexed sites.
The moment I had a real email address end up in the AUTHORS file of nodejs, that address is now a spamhole. Domain is otherwise fine.
Another can be buying a new domain that (perhaps purely coincidentally) that has already made the rounds into spammers dbs.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#27It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…
> Email as a whole really is a mess. An outdated protocol with too many bandaids and a fundamentally broken model.
Perhaps true at a technical level, but in a practical sense it's vastly successful. Super-quick communication between a few billion people, where all you need to get in touch with someone is their address.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#28One problem is that Spam is not a well-defined concept. There is criminal activity using harvested or generated addresses. And there is annoying marketing from perfectly legal organizations I have given my address to. I would prefer a spam filter that just handles the first case. I can handle the second case by filter rules or unsubscribing. The problem is that Gmail tries to solve both problems with one solution and…
> The problem is that Gmail tries to solve both problems with one solution and the result just doesn't work even close to reliably.
Does it? My understanding is that gmail's spam filter only tried to catch the first kind of mail? I guess if you mark stuff you've signed up to as spam then it will put those in spam for you, but that's a user choice.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#29And at the same time there is an uptick in obvious spam that gmail mistakenly classifies as ham.
Recent example:
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From: linda bartony
Hi jacquesmattheij Team,
Hope you are doing well.
My experts were analyzing your website and found that your website is not handling recent updates from search engines.
It’s a fact that having a website won’t make you bring in visitors. If you do not get higher search visibility, rankings, and organic search traffic, you may fall behind your competitors.
Google wants its visitors to have the best possible experience and these factors play an important role in determining your rank in SERP:
1. For most of the competitive keywords or phrases you rank beyond 100.
2. Your website is not ready for the upcoming responsive design update.
3. So many technical errors present on your website making it difficult to index.
4. Lack of theme-based quality backlinks.
Sounds Interesting! Please reply to us back and our PR executives will get in touch, with a detailed analysis report without any obligation.
Best Regards,
Linda barony
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It doesn't get much more obvious than that, but hey, the origin is gmail so it must be good. Meanwhile, I can't reliably send mail from my own email server to my gmail account without it routinely being classified as spam.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#30One problem is that Spam is not a well-defined concept. There is criminal activity using harvested or generated addresses. And there is annoying marketing from perfectly legal organizations I have given my address to. I would prefer a spam filter that just handles the first case. I can handle the second case by filter rules or unsubscribing. The problem is that Gmail tries to solve both problems with one solution and…
> The problem is that Gmail tries to solve both problems with one solution and the result just doesn't work even close to reliably. Does it? My understanding is that gmail's spam filter only tried to catch the first kind of mail? I guess if you mark stuff you've signed up to as spam then it will put those in spam for you, but that's a user choice.
Gmail is definitely known to have weird blackbox rules about when and why something ends up in spam. I used to work somewhere that sent out a daily newsletter to a large audience and Gmail would occasionally decide to send it to spam for people who would read the e-mail everyday.