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Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#12It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…
I've been running a mail server for about 8 years now for me privately. I use it only for ordering stuff and for communicating with vendors but it works very well. Large e-mail providers never block me as far as I can tell, small ones i don't know. But I never get the feeling that my mails don't arrive in time.
I've also run servers with applications that send out automatic mails and there, problems were bigger. I think this is because there are a lot of mechanisms such as SPF that miss when an application simply uses sendmail. I've followed the archwiki instructions [1] mostly, a couple of years ago, and it works very reliably.
This won't help protonmail with abusing users but for a private server, it works well. I think a server also builds reputation over time.
But honestly I don't understand why it works entirely. However, I wanted to say that private mailservers are not doomed :)
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#13The problem comes from the giants using close source algorithms for mail filtering... yes, they are very efficient at filtering spam, but you have no way to align on their close source filtering process to make sure your email goes through/not marked as spam. Ironically, I once in a while receive a spam from a gmail account, and it is not marked as spam. I would also add we are the problem, we picked the giants becau…
> The problem comes from the giants using close source algorithms for mail filtering The root cause is that email is an open messaging network without moderation and sending cost. Other open network is SMS, but because of the sending cost the spam problem is much smaller, albeit still exists.
good point
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#14It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…
I've been running a mail server for about 8 years now for me privately. I use it only for ordering stuff and for communicating with vendors but it works very well. Large e-mail providers never block me as far as I can tell, small ones i don't know. But I never get the feeling that my mails don't arrive in time. I've also run servers with applications that send out automatic mails and there, problems were bigger. I th…
Same here. Had my own mail server for 20+ years. Occasionally tweak it when things change, e.g. SPF being enforced or DMARC.
Registered in most postmaster tools, but at my rate of sending, this is only to have a chance of being herd if problems arise.
There were a few blockages over the years, the last ones came from Microsoft: once in a while they refuse to use A records if MX is not present, or just swallow your mails.
For the important mails to first-time recipients I ask to RSVP, which works out beautifully. People know that email can be unrealiable.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been running a mail server for about 8 years now for me privately. I use it only for ordering stuff and for communicating with vendors but it works very well. Large e-mail providers never block me as far as I can tell, small ones i don't know. But I never get the feeling that my mails don't arrive in time. I've also run servers with applications that send out automatic mails and there, problems were bigger. I th…
Same here. Had my own mail server for 20+ years. Occasionally tweak it when things change, e.g. SPF being enforced or DMARC. Registered in most postmaster tools, but at my rate of sending, this is only to have a chance of being herd if problems arise. There were a few blockages over the years, the last ones came from Microsoft: once in a while they refuse to use A records if MX is not present, or just swallow your ma…
I gave up on my domain registered back when an ISDN 64k channel was a viable internet connection, partly because the amount of inbound email spam was absurd. The spammers ruined email long before Gmail was a thing.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#17In other words, Gmail again blocks desired email based on the preferences of other Gmail users. Gmail is like a really toxic high school; you won't do well if you are into things that the majority doesn't like.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#18Gmail even flags all mail from Google as spam. To be fair in this case I am registered to Google with a different address that forwards into my gmail.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't click not spam on a message you never see.
Checking the email spam folder, should be part of the email routine nowadays.
I get very little real spam (abuse from harvested addresses). I use throw-away addresses everywhere. If one gets harvested I throw it away. I forward all mails to gmail and their false positive rate in spam detection is well over 50%. I cannot see that clicking not spam improves the situation. Well, I don't know how much they would classify spam if I'd never clicked it.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#20One problem is that Spam is not a well-defined concept. There is criminal activity using harvested or generated addresses. And there is annoying marketing from perfectly legal organizations I have given my address to. I would prefer a spam filter that just handles the first case. I can handle the second case by filter rules or unsubscribing. The problem is that Gmail tries to solve both problems with one solution and the result just doesn't work even close to reliably.