Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
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Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#2Nothing new to me, my friends often need to whitelist me. It's been like this for years.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#3It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway.
Email as a whole really is a mess. An outdated protocol with too many bandaids and a fundamentally broken model.
But what can we do?
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#4Click "Not spam". It's what it's there for.
Not that I'm defending Gmail -- it's spam filter is a menace to email.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#5The problem comes from the giants using close source algorithms for mail filtering... yes, they are very efficient at filtering spam, but you have no way to align on their close source filtering process to make sure your email goes through/not marked as spam. Ironically, I once in a while receive a spam from a gmail account, and it is not marked as spam.
I would also add we are the problem, we picked the giants because they are free and convenient. By doing so, we gave them way too much power over the email ecosystem and they can start making their own rules.
The only way forward in my opinion is moving out of these allegedly free services and making the internet user centric again by de-centralizing.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#6It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…
I think the best answer is put up with it because it actually mostly works better than anything else out there. New things will have new problems.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#7Click "Not spam". It's what it's there for. Not that I'm defending Gmail -- it's spam filter is a menace to email.
You can't click not spam on a message you never see.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#8Click "Not spam". It's what it's there for. Not that I'm defending Gmail -- it's spam filter is a menace to email.
From some experience this seems to not always consistently work. If people don't explicitly whitelist me I'll often start showing up as spam years later.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#9The problem comes from the giants using close source algorithms for mail filtering... yes, they are very efficient at filtering spam, but you have no way to align on their close source filtering process to make sure your email goes through/not marked as spam. Ironically, I once in a while receive a spam from a gmail account, and it is not marked as spam. I would also add we are the problem, we picked the giants becau…
> The problem comes from the giants using close source algorithms for mail filtering
The root cause is that email is an open messaging network without moderation and sending cost. Other open network is SMS, but because of the sending cost the spam problem is much smaller, albeit still exists.
Re: Protonmail was identified as spam in Gmail
#10It’s a sad situation, email today. I ran my own self hosted email for close to a decade but finally gave up on it because mail that I send gets flagged as spam every now and then and I also received a ton of spam. Those two things were eating away my time. And either way, basically everyone who I correspond with use third party mail hosting so it’s not like it did much good that I was self hosting it anyway. Email as…
> But what can we do?
Use Fastmail, or anything other than Gmail, basically.