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Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by JetAlone »

willcipriano wrote: post #103
jktogjfnn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But think about how we got here. In US you can get 100 mil in liability damages per injured person in lawsuits, which doesn't make any sense when you consider that with that sum you could save thousands of lives (poor people, ...) So you could easily be made to pay 10 bil for causing vaccine damage to a 1000 people, while disregarding the hundred of millions the vaccine saved. Do you think that would be fair?

Without a vaccine mandate I can see your argument, however if you force people to take a drug you have decided to take ownership of the situation. In that case you are responsible for the outcome. If you don't want to be responsible for a choice, don't make it.

Careful there, that's fash-adjacent talk

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by undersuit »

waihtis wrote: post #96
pvaldes wrote: post #95

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Vaccines never assured that would stop the transmission. Specially after being designed for different virus variants. They claimed that the effects would be much less severe, and would save lives. And in millions of cases [1] they delivered exactly what was promised. Finland had 1000 people killed. Sweden with 70% vaccinated had 15.000 deaths, so all points that vaccines really work. [1] There are a few debatable cas…

They most certainly did run that message for awhile, see eg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-bi... I will absolutely blame the people who use ineffective or dishonest methods to constrict my life without my consent, that is the price they pay to be in positions of power.

Your own linked article contests your argument.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by fontenot-jon »

sonicggg wrote: post #11

I see a lot of complaints of people about the fact that Pfizer required legal immunity against side effects. This is a must for any vaccine manufacturer, otherwise the vaccine is just not commercially feasible. That's what killed Lymerix, and why we don't have Lyme disease vaccine anymore. If the government does not back it up, the manufacturer won't stand a chance. Even if the vaccine has a good safety profile, a 0.…

the government is responsible for lyme disease, "plum island shennanigans," and then magicly whipped out a response... strange, history may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme all too often

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by fontenot-jon »

waihtis wrote: post #24
sonicggg wrote: post #11

I see a lot of complaints of people about the fact that Pfizer required legal immunity against side effects. This is a must for any vaccine manufacturer, otherwise the vaccine is just not commercially feasible. That's what killed Lymerix, and why we don't have Lyme disease vaccine anymore. If the government does not back it up, the manufacturer won't stand a chance. Even if the vaccine has a good safety profile, a 0.…

Fine, but now we have two extra phenomena with the COVID vaccine: 1) Discussion about vaccine side effects, efficacy rates, etc. is being actively censored (e.g. Twitter's ridiculous post censorship policy) 2) Governments pushing for a mandatory vaccine If one doesn't think this creates a very dangerous precedent one does not understand history nor human nature at all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GWN2PV4v0lk

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by lmm »

walterbell wrote: post #68
lmm wrote: post #61

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Stateless people are (generally) difficult for governments to impose on but have little governmental support. I'd say it tends to be a negative on net, though I guess that depends on your views on government in general.

Perhaps they need the right lawyers or agents.

What could a lawyer or agent do? Being stateless means you don't have the rights or the obligations of citizenship, more or less by definition.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by walterbell »

lmm wrote: post #115
walterbell wrote: post #68

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Perhaps they need the right lawyers or agents.

What could a lawyer or agent do? Being stateless means you don't have the rights or the obligations of citizenship, more or less by definition.

Then there's no need for Pharma company lawyers to be concerned about liability. Yet they are?

> where those applying for doses, mainly NGOs, can't bear legal risks, deliveries from that stockpile can only be made if vaccine-makers accept liability.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by lmm »

walterbell wrote: post #116
lmm wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What could a lawyer or agent do? Being stateless means you don't have the rights or the obligations of citizenship, more or less by definition.

Then there's no need for Pharma company lawyers to be concerned about liability. Yet they are? > where those applying for doses, mainly NGOs, can't bear legal risks, deliveries from that stockpile can only be made if vaccine-makers accept liability.

If you injure another person you're liable for corresponding damages, that's not a function of citizenship.

Nations are willing to assume liability for vaccine side effects suffered by their citizens (which is something that requires resources beyond what an individual could put up - consider the possibility of e.g. becoming paralysed and requiring life-long round-the-clock care). The problem that stateless people have (in this context) is that they don't have a nation-like organisation that will do that for them.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by waihtis »

undersuit wrote: post #112
waihtis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They most certainly did run that message for awhile, see eg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-bi... I will absolutely blame the people who use ineffective or dishonest methods to constrict my life without my consent, that is the price they pay to be in positions of power.

Your own linked article contests your argument.

And? That is entirely the point. Pharma marketing & government sold this as a preventative cure which of which people with the know were skeptical about from the beginning.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by undersuit »

waihtis wrote: post #118
undersuit wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your own linked article contests your argument.

And? That is entirely the point. Pharma marketing & government sold this as a preventative cure which of which people with the know were skeptical about from the beginning.

But the article argues caution, not at all what you're arguing.

Re: Refugees lack Covid shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

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Post by waihtis »

undersuit wrote: post #119
waihtis wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? That is entirely the point. Pharma marketing & government sold this as a preventative cure which of which people with the know were skeptical about from the beginning.

But the article argues caution, not at all what you're arguing.

What am I arguing in your opinion then?
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