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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by cmauniada »

archarios wrote: post #162
cmauniada wrote: post #109

No function keys is a huge deal breaker for me, I don't have any problem sticking to my advantage2.

looks like there is a function layer. Layers are nice because they make it so you don't have to move your hands far from home row.

I've had such a bad experience with the macbook layering (touchbar too), I feel like it might be more hassle having to turn the layer on and then press the key.

Whereas with a dedicated fn row, it would be a lot easier. I'm quite happy with my adv2, but I can't wait for the reviews.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by oofbey »

tcoff91 wrote: post #18
MrPowers wrote: post #15

Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…

I bet the kinesis foot pedals would take emacs to the next level too. I use spacemacs in evil mode so I never bothered having to learn all those key chording things for emacs.

I rely heavily on the foot pedal. The single-pedal is too light and really wants to be bolted to something heavy so it doesn't slide around. The triple-food pedal is much nicer, just because it's heavy and stays put. I map all three foot-buttons to the same thing.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by advrs »

ninkendo wrote: post #106

What does the keyboard layout look like? Every single picture of the keyboard on this site shows either a tiny section of the keyboard where you only see like 4 keys, or there's one picture that shows the whole thing, but it's super tiny and you can't read the keys. Does it have a decent mac layout? Is cmd+tab easy to type? Is copy/paste ergonomic? I have no idea because the pictures don't show it, and scrolling arou…

Second this - it is way too hard for me to see a full FOV and high-res look at the actual product!

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by toyg »

sudhirj wrote: post #157
sudhirj wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one, but it's in a drawer now because I was finding it too difficult to switch between it and a normal laptop keyboard. I want a split keyboard that has all the keys in the same places, so muscle memory doesn't need to adapt. I touch type, so the same fingers just need to find the same keys in the same relative positions. Mainlander does not do that, and I can't find the layout or top view zoomable photos for…

Ooooh. Like this https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/freestyle-pro-keyboard/ I want that but curved a bit and tented, without a change in layout.

That's the old version, you want this: https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/

Despite the gaming moniker, it's actually their best professional-grade keyboard, with better support for macros and backlighting.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by roldie »

bllguo wrote: post #116

This looks cool, I'm glad split contoured boards are becoming more accessible. Shame about the switch options though. Also, plug for the yet unreleased Glove80 https://www.moergo.com/ , as someone who prefers low-profile switches.

Thanks for sharing, this looks like it's exactly what I've been looking for!

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by toyg »

wildrhythms wrote: post #133
MrPowers wrote: post #15

Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…

I have the Kinesis Freestyle 2 and, while the layout is good, I really dislike how the keys feel- very mushy, way too much travel distance, and many keys require moving my entire hand from the home row to properly depress because they're very resistant to non-perpendicular force. What I really want is an ergo keyboard with Macbook/laptop style low-travel keys.

Freestyle Pro and Edge now have mechanical switches, which are better than the membrane of the Freestyle and Freestyle 2. With the Edge you can even choose the MX Speed Silver, for much shorter travel.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by aredplug »

To counter the stories of "an ergonomic keyboard" fixed my health issue...

I had back pain for a few years. After physio and other improvements I tried an Ergodox and that didn't fix it.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by ErikCorry »

uses wrote: post #160

What did they end up doing with the escape key?

I'm guessing it's one of the new ones in the center (between G and H).

I only use escape in vim though, and there I mapped the jk key combination to escape instead. (:map! jk ) I'm trying to stop using the physical escape key completely. If it's not where I expect it that will go faster.

The function keys do almost nothing in Linux so I won't miss them.

My main regret with my Advantage keyboard is that I should have bought it 20 years earlier. So I could totally see myself getting this. Even if I think 3.2 pounds is a little on the heavy side.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by toyg »

ianai wrote: post #19
jerlam wrote: post #5

I like how they added inboard macro keys. It was odd before how the Advantage had all this programming capability but you had to come up with some new keystrokes. Is it me or the price difference between the two makes the Pro model a no-brainer? Wireless, backlighting, better keycaps, and better programming model for only $40 more?

Not everybody wants a wireless keyboard. The least desirable thing, to me, is probably the backlight. It's clearly toggle-able though, so should be fine.

And if it's like my Freestyle Edge, at some point the backlight will just stop working every time you reboot, anyway...

(I love my Edge, but this particularly bug annoys me)

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by toyg »

jakub_g wrote: post #126

Semi-related: I've had a basic ergo keyboard (MS sculpt ergonomic) for a while and it's much much better than regular keyboards; However I think all ergo keyboard companies are missing the point those days: "Just-a-keyboard" doesn't cut it anymore in the world of laptops. I want an ergonomic keyboard with a built-in Macbook-class touchpad, or ThinkPad-class trackpoint + three buttons . (I know it's tricky, especially…

The touchpad is an ergo-killer. It's just bad for your wrists to use it for any significant amount of time. It would be silly to include it in an ergo keyboard. The trackpoint is likely to be still covered by some IBM patents, and nobody uses it anyway.

If you really want a trackpad, get an Apple one and drop it in the middle of your split keyboard. It will still be bad for your wrists though.

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