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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by itsjango »

danr4 wrote: post #125
candyman wrote: post #121

I was having some serious wrist and shoulder pain. Turns out it was related to my mouse which I kept to the right side of my keyboard. I moved it directly in front of the keyboard so it's in the middle and my pains disappeared. I may still take a look at this keyboard because the older you get the more you need. I've now been at the keyboard since 1979 and that's some wear and tear.

Try a trackball mouse. I sport a Logitech Ergo MX with a 30deg tilt. Similar to you it's in front of the keyboard. The fact you don't need the mouse to move at all is amazing.

I used the same with a freestyle 2 and a Logitech on left when right gets tired. How do you position it in front of the keyboard? Seems weird

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by wildrhythms »

MrPowers wrote: post #15

Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…

I have the Kinesis Freestyle 2 and, while the layout is good, I really dislike how the keys feel- very mushy, way too much travel distance, and many keys require moving my entire hand from the home row to properly depress because they're very resistant to non-perpendicular force.

What I really want is an ergo keyboard with Macbook/laptop style low-travel keys.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by sulam »

wildrhythms wrote: post #132
inquist wrote: post #27

FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

Did the Moonlander take some getting used to with the non-staggered key layout?

I had been using the Kinesis Advantage 2 and for me there was almost no adjustment time. It did take me quite a while (two weeks) to get used to the Kinesis.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by qq4 »

h3mb3 wrote: post #108
qq4 wrote: post #39

I was getting hand fatigue from my laptop keyboard and decided to look into split keyboards. I tried a variety of Kinesis keyboards but I didn't like the build quality or inconsistency in features between models. I ended up settling with the Mistel MD770 which is a compact split keyboard in a traditional QWERTY layout. I found that was all that was really needed. I still use my laptop a ton, but I switch it up just e…

I've been quite happy with MD770 as well! I wish a similiar 75% split board existed with an ortholinear layout though.

I do wish it was a little better in layout, but it's not too bad. I have been impressed with it so far for the price. My biggest gripe is I wish the effort for flashy RGB lights went into key lighting instead. I still hunt and peck sometimes at night.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by [deleted] »

jerlam wrote: post #5

I like how they added inboard macro keys. It was odd before how the Advantage had all this programming capability but you had to come up with some new keystrokes. Is it me or the price difference between the two makes the Pro model a no-brainer? Wireless, backlighting, better keycaps, and better programming model for only $40 more?

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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by sulam »

karmajunkie wrote: post #95
astuyvenberg wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 I really do like my new Moonlander, which I purchased in November. However, as a former Kinesis Advantage user, I miss the contoured shape, I think it helped a lot with carpal pain. That said, I'm not sure I can justify another keyboard.

ok, could you expand on your experiences with both? i’m a longtime kinesis user (like, LONG time—i got rid of one with an AT connector a few years ago) and i’ve been really toying with the idea of switching. what are the pros and cons you’ve experienced?

I’ve used both extensively and fully switched from the Kinesis Adv2 to the Moonlander. I believe what gp is referring to is the (obvious) structural difference between the two. With the Advantage 2, your hands are largely resting on the frame of the keyboard. With the Moonlander your wrists are either poised above whatever surface you have the Moonlander on or resting directly on it. For me, and I suspect most people, that’s simply my desk. At that point the height of your arm with respect to your desk becomes very critical to avoid your wrists getting too far from a neutral position.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by cma »

rangersanger wrote: post #69

I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

Where are you positioning your mouse, even farther out, or in-between the split?

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by sulam »

jcadam wrote: post #91
gundmc wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My only complaint with the moonlander is that you can't use the tenting at all if you have the thumb cluster tilted upwards.

I didn't know the thumb cluster lifted upwards. Just tried it on mine, wow is that uncomfortable.

It isn’t true for me, but what the ZSA folks point out is that for small hands you may need it tilted upwards to make it natural to reach the thumb cluster.
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