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Re: No More Stories

#11

Post by coding123 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

I think this is a good idea. Trackers that have things in green, yellow, orange, red - kind of like how we track covid rates in areas. The story IS the current data. There's no reason to go to CNN for the latest covid numbers I can get it in many places that share this data now.

This idea can be applied to home pricing, homelessness, food and gas prices, crime stats. We can set up breaking points and literally watch the numbers break through something.

I mean what if we applied names to the red color like: Crime is now red in this part of SF which means this area is basically Venezuela right now.

Live stats (trackers) coupled with zones of terribleness so we can literally watch the world fall apart in the form of a tracker.

Re: No More Stories

#12

Post by azangru » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #8

At this point literally everything has been wrong. Facts are confidently stated and they turn out to be opposite, then reverse again. Followed by more totally confident assertions. Maybe there is a story here, and it is our hubris. This is beyond us.

I'd love some data journalism on the facts that are being reversed this way and that :-)

Re: No More Stories

#13

Post by _dain_ » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

olah_1 wrote: post #10

cgh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s a good media bias chart: https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/?utm_source=HomePage_St... Try choosing sources near the top middle, eg the Associated Press, Reuters, etc.

The ones in the middle are the most nefarious in my experience. Precisely because they purport to be “the objective standard” and quite simply are entertainment just like everyone else. Even the reliability of AP has completely evaporated for me. Not just influence from money, but also from intelligence agencies that make journalists feel important.

>Even the reliability of AP has completely evaporated for me. Not just influence from money, but also from intelligence agencies that make journalists feel important.

+1, it's grotesque how certain outlets have become CIA mouthpieces since 2016.

Re: No More Stories

#14

Post by _dain_ » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

coding123 wrote: post #11

I think this is a good idea. Trackers that have things in green, yellow, orange, red - kind of like how we track covid rates in areas. The story IS the current data. There's no reason to go to CNN for the latest covid numbers I can get it in many places that share this data now. This idea can be applied to home pricing, homelessness, food and gas prices, crime stats. We can set up breaking points and literally watch…

Until the crime stats show inconvenient facts and they take them down.

Re: No More Stories

#15

Post by taneq » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

thomascgalvin wrote: post #3

> One of the things that COVID has taught me is that the concept of a “story” in the news media is a relic that needs to be completely re-thought. It is not suited to the challenges of media communication today. > Specifically, there are challenging and complex public-policy questions which require robust engagement from an informed electorate. The problem is that the media is not intended to inform the electorate, n…

> The sole job of the media is to win eyeballs, so that those eyeballs can be shown ads.

Don't you miss the good ol' days, when the media was just there to manipulate public opinion in favour of whichever oligarch paid the piper?

Re: No More Stories

#16

Post by throwawayboise » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

hereforphone wrote: post #7

Nothing new here. I spent a few years working in war zones. I made friends with journalists. They were all (even the "good" ones that I became friends with) full of crap. Even if they wanted to tell the truth they couldn't, because they didn't understand the subject matter well enough. Edit to refine my point due to presumed misunderstanding: At the end of the day it's about dollars. News is there to sell, not to exp…

Explains the Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/

Re: No More Stories

#17

Post by BurningFrog » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

alexfromapex wrote: post #2

I would really appreciate a "news" site that just cited verifiable facts and maybe showed data trends but didn't try to make any conclusions for me

I went looking for that, and I found that Wall Street Journal does that better than any other US source I found, though of course nothing is perfect.

Their regular quoted subscription rate is big, but with some effort you can find much better deals.

Re: No More Stories

#18

Post by viro » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #8

At this point literally everything has been wrong. Facts are confidently stated and they turn out to be opposite, then reverse again. Followed by more totally confident assertions. Maybe there is a story here, and it is our hubris. This is beyond us.

Scientific consensus changes when it receives new data.

Re: No More Stories

#19

Post by CharlesW » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

hereforphone wrote: post #7

Nothing new here. I spent a few years working in war zones. I made friends with journalists. They were all (even the "good" ones that I became friends with) full of crap. Even if they wanted to tell the truth they couldn't, because they didn't understand the subject matter well enough. Edit to refine my point due to presumed misunderstanding: At the end of the day it's about dollars. News is there to sell, not to exp…

Nothing new here. I spent a few years working in enterprise. I made friends with software developers. They were all (even the "good" ones that I became friends with) full of crap. Even if they wanted to create good software they couldn't, because they didn't understand the problems to be solved well enough.

(This is how unhelpful and condescending it sounds when one paints everyone in a profession with the same broad brush.)

Re: No More Stories

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Post by nsxwolf » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

viro wrote: post #18

nsxwolf wrote: post #8

At this point literally everything has been wrong. Facts are confidently stated and they turn out to be opposite, then reverse again. Followed by more totally confident assertions. Maybe there is a story here, and it is our hubris. This is beyond us.

Scientific consensus changes when it receives new data.

And that's happening so quickly and so often. People say they're following the science, but they're really being whipsawed by it.