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India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

#81

If lifespans increases then the population will still grow for some time. And it's increased steadily for the past 70 years.

Even if lifespans don't increase the population will probably continue to expand for about 25 years since the cohorts already born are larger than they ones they are replacing. Population only plateaus once we've been at replacement rate for the same number of years as mean age of mothers at birth.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

#83

Isn't this going to create another problem. Where the country gets old before it gets rich?

The cost of living in India is going to be pretty low compared to colder countries, so it shouldn't cost a lot to provide a decent lifestyle.

With accelerating automation, most people are going to have to depend on a much smaller set of people/industries. A shrinking population is not bad given we make plans for the future.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #52

I wish the US had some of the options for male sterilization/contraception that are available in India. I've asked my doctor for years about some of the options available in other countries and am always given a blank stare of ignorance.

What options are you talking about? I am only aware of vasectomies.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average lifespan has increased because of changes on the low end. Fewer people are dying young. There has been very little movement on the upper end of lifespan. The current trend of improvement has a natural wall at about 100-110 average lifespan. Having said that, I suspect that once we crack aging, we may blow past the current limit and see a relativly sudden jump in lifespan

Cancer therapies might result in significant gains. We already see CAR T to be very effective. Hopefully we’ll finally crack Alzheimer’s and the likes as well.

Yeah. Living longer, but spending more of the time senile is... not exactly a win.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #48

Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

There's certainly better opportunities for well-trained professionals in developing countries, but there's still a large pay differential. On top of that, immigrants to wealthier Western countries seek the low levels of day-to-day corruption, well-maintained infrastructure, good air quality, safety from violent crimes and theft, and access to leading universities and companies, where cutting-edge research and product development is done. In the US at least, there's plenty of gloom for our decline, some relative and some absolute, in many of these categories. But there's still a clear and stark difference for someone coming from India or Brazil.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

#88

They didn’t mention the last two years as possibly contributing to less childbirth. There could be counteracting effects there, stuck together with nothing to do, vs nobody to meet and nothing to do - but it at least deserves a mention. This 2019-2021 drop could bounce right back up if people chose to delay childbirth.

I know more Indian couples who has only 1 child vs 3. In my family (my generation), not a single couple has more than 2 child. My family's replacement rate is below 2. From my dads side, we are 12 cousins. We only have 18 kids. My village in India has roughly 440 people. Not a single couple that got married in last 20 years has more than 2 kids. Before Covid, we had a middle school reunion. Every single one of us had…

Great anecdotes but situation varies from state to state. Fertility rates vary from 1.1 to 2.4 and 3.0. Why did I mention 2.4 AND 3.0 because these 2 states account for a quarter if not more of the Indian population.

This is not to say your anecdotes are wrong but there exist different Indias and some of them have not seen the modern light.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #48

Global population will basically top out at 9-10bn. I look forward to the problems we will face then, and the apocalyptic narratives the media will invent about this new problem. Here's my shot at a few: - Even with better quality of life its going to be hard to make people who are over 70 work productively. But without children less and less people will need to take care of this large old age group. And they will ne…

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

#90
post #40

The "population bomb" is the invention of eugenicists trying remake themselves into demographers in a bid to stay relevant. The very same people who funded "sterilisation vans" in Asia were rooting for abortion bans in the West, and promoting "traditional family," in other words plain, old HITLERITES.

You've made a similar comment twice in the same thread now. You seem to think overpopulation is a myth.

I do not think the OP meant that, OP could have meant that there is a motivated group speaking with a forked tongue.
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