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India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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They didn’t mention the last two years as possibly contributing to less childbirth. There could be counteracting effects there, stuck together with nothing to do, vs nobody to meet and nothing to do - but it at least deserves a mention. This 2019-2021 drop could bounce right back up if people chose to delay childbirth.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mobility != GDP

GDP == The room available for mobility.

This is a novel argument to me; a state with a high Gini coefficient has plenty of room for mobility even if GDP remains static.

Mobility is, in the modern world, as much a political argument as an economic one.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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post #18

My "modest proposal" for humane population reduction is: every individual is born with the right to have one child. A couple then, can have two children, which is below the natural replacement rate of 2.1 leading to a gradual reduction in human population naturally. People who don't want to have kids or can't for whatever reason could sell their right to others who want to have more than their normal allotment while…

What's your proposal for handling births that exceed allotment?

Stew, probably.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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My "modest proposal" for humane population reduction is: every individual is born with the right to have one child. A couple then, can have two children, which is below the natural replacement rate of 2.1 leading to a gradual reduction in human population naturally. People who don't want to have kids or can't for whatever reason could sell their right to others who want to have more than their normal allotment while…

That's a really weird idea of 'ethics'. How would you enforce this policy? You can't ethically take away 'extra' kids, you can't reasonably fine them, nor can you prevent extra kids from being born.

Any system capable of enforcing any of the above methods would inevitably be a severe ethical violation of some form.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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My "modest proposal" for humane population reduction is: every individual is born with the right to have one child. A couple then, can have two children, which is below the natural replacement rate of 2.1 leading to a gradual reduction in human population naturally. People who don't want to have kids or can't for whatever reason could sell their right to others who want to have more than their normal allotment while…

I actually don't think overpopulation is the problem. It's the way we're going about resource usage that's the problem. If people stayed home more, grow food and instead of focus on society feeding them, they feed themselves we wouldn't be inundated with non-stop scale issues. As insane as it sounds distributed technologies seem to be saving tech - it can save humanity too. We just don't train people to be like that. Instead we teach greed and outperforming the next guy.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is A LOT of slack in a population of that size. Most women don't even work yet. Even if population declines, the labor force will continue to rise for a long time.

Yeah I’m fairly sure they work their asses off already. Maybe not that gets measured in GDP thought.

I was going to say this. We have this weird habit in the West of trivializing raising one's own children, as if that's not "real work". A lot folks would rather raise their children instead of outsourcing it to strangers just to work a job they hate.

Re: India defuses its population bomb: fertility falls to two children per woman

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Isn't this going to create another problem. Where the country gets old before it gets rich?

Why is the goal to get rich? That seems lame and shortsighted

Not having health care, savings and social blanket, education, being able to buy stuff, choice, gets pretty lame pretty quickly.
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