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Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by yostrovs »

rsynnott wrote: post #18
dombesz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree with you. If it turns out that it’s so much less deadly than the other strains, we should definitely be positive about it and stop the fear mongering. But all you can hear these days, is that how so much contagious Omicron is, without mentioning the chance of being a lot less harmful. This biased representation in the news turns me into being a skeptic of all the media outlets, regardless of their politica…

> But all you can hear these days, is that how so much contagious Omicron is, without mentioning the chance of being a lot less harmful. We _know_ that it's spreading very quickly (there is some legitimate question over how much of this is inherent spreading ability vs immunity evasion). The idea that it's "a lot less harmful" is largely speculative; there just isn't the data to say that right now. Now, it may emerge…

Judging by the response of the authorities, the new strain is highly dangerous. There's a lot of panicking going on.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by rsfern »

supermatt wrote: post #29

Why would the antibodies be more effective after 3 shots than 2? Shouldn't they be the same/similar antibodies? Is it more a case of the 3rd dose being more recent than the 2nd dose was for participants so there are more present? If so, why are we talking about number of vaccines instead of recency of vaccination?

One hypothesis I have seen around is that is not so much the time since the last shot, but the longer time span between shots that slows for more robust antibody response

Seems reasonable, as many of the booster doses for more established vaccines are spaced months to a year apart. There hasn’t really been enough time to study this comprehensively for the coronavirus vaccines

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by raxxorrax »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #30
raxxorrax wrote: post #27

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None of these articles have any sources and are known for fear mongering by now. It is not reflected by numbers. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.56068... or specifically: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/560685/fmed-07-56... And even they have a questionable method by aggregating people of age 40-69. If you would split it further 40-59, the middle aged group would look just as the you…

If you're going to dismiss a wide range of mainstream media "unsourced, known for fear mongering" then I'm going to stop listening, it's not a worthwhile conversation. Again, what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict?

Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant.

As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that is specifically that young people are not clogging up ICUs, no matter if they are vaccinated or not. If the press states otherwise, then they are wrong. Perhaps the data is wrong too, but that is more unlikely.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by n8henrie »

raxxorrax wrote: post #20
rsynnott wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> according to the South African medical authorities who first identified and reported it Well, according to the doctor who did. Other South African medical authorities have been a lot more cautious. > Most everyone is vaxxed that is high-risk. Let the rest deal with their consequences. The trouble is, the consequences for the rest involve filling up hospitals, ICUs (and ultimately morgues, though this is less disrup…

Unvaccinated people under the age of 60 certainly do not put any significant pressure on ICUs. Saying otherwise is a blatant lie and demonizes people. Doing so and searching blame in others is a symptom of severe inferiority complex which is dangerous to other people, so take care what you say.

Where are you getting this from? I bet they have taken at least 50% capacity on average of our 4 bed ICU over the last few months.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by n8henrie »

peteradio wrote: post #25
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unvaccinated people under the age of 60 certainly do not put any significant pressure on ICUs However: "Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine a day earlier warned of a “startling” rise in Covid hospitalizations among young people." https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/22/unvaccinated-covid-patients-... "I’m treating more and more young, unvaccinated people in ICU" https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/10/most-covid-patients-i-treat-i... "We're seei…

Those are not statistics related to ICU occupancy, except for this line: "We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally." How do you read that? 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? I'd bet all my money that is not true. These sentences are being put together to drive the cattle not info…

> 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients?

FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo Nation. Extremely high vaccination rate, with the exception of young people who didn't think they would get very sick, and they've ended up representing most of our ICU players.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

raxxorrax wrote: post #33
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to dismiss a wide range of mainstream media "unsourced, known for fear mongering" then I'm going to stop listening, it's not a worthwhile conversation. Again, what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict?

Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant. As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that…

It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response.

If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it.

Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

n8henrie wrote: post #35
peteradio wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are not statistics related to ICU occupancy, except for this line: "We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally." How do you read that? 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? I'd bet all my money that is not true. These sentences are being put together to drive the cattle not info…

> 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo Nation. Extremely high vaccination rate, with the exception of young people who didn't think they would get very sick, and they've ended up representing most of our ICU players.

They're not just "betting all their money" but also their lives on it not being true. because they really want it to be true.

And the majority win that bet, for them. But a minority losing it is still enough to fill the ICUs.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by raxxorrax »

n8henrie wrote: post #34
raxxorrax wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unvaccinated people under the age of 60 certainly do not put any significant pressure on ICUs. Saying otherwise is a blatant lie and demonizes people. Doing so and searching blame in others is a symptom of severe inferiority complex which is dangerous to other people, so take care what you say.

Where are you getting this from? I bet they have taken at least 50% capacity on average of our 4 bed ICU over the last few months.

That would make sense then. In that case I am firmly for throwing these two rascals in prison.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

raxxorrax wrote: post #38
n8henrie wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting this from? I bet they have taken at least 50% capacity on average of our 4 bed ICU over the last few months.

That would make sense then. In that case I am firmly for throwing these two rascals in prison.

Please don't demonise them.

Re: Omicron evades Moderna vaccine too, study suggests, but boosters help

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Post by raxxorrax »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #36
raxxorrax wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant. As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that…

It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response. If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it. Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.

Let us just disagree here what we think is correct or false information. But if you or the original poster want to blame others for their life risk, expect headwind.
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