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It's capitulation to coercion, which has its own side effects.
That's why I drink and drive as much as I want. Can't let the man tell me what to do! /s
Don't forget about seat belts!
Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.
> Only 28% of black people in New York are vaccinated […] This is not what the article you’ve cited says.
Whoops - It said young (whatever that means) as an adjective. I'll edit that in.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?
It's capitulation to coercion, which has its own side effects.
It hadn't occurred to me that this might lead a whole bunch of people, who didn't previously, to regard the employment relationship as fundamentally coercive. Hm. I'm now torn on this.
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>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…
With the exception of healthcare I don't think a lot of companies have mandated vaccines. My wife works in healthcare and there was a tuberculosis shot mandate for specific jobs at her hospital. There was a flu shot mandate of sorts, but it was tied to a small bonus. You can't point to a small sector that has mandates and say it wouldn't be a significant change if suddenly 100% of all workers everywhere were subjecte…
Any business doing work with the US government will have to mandate vaccines.
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> This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. “all civil rights” meaning you have full civil rights but can't force a private company to give you a job when you refuse to follow safety rules? Especially in a country where employers pay for healthcare it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a safe,…
If we eventually define "civil rights" to mean "you have the right to stay inside your home and order everything on Amazon", we have a serious problem. That's where this is going. It goes way beyond the decisions of an individual company. Regarding the status quo: Yes, mandates exist. The school example is a piece of paper you turn into the school office during enrollment and no one ever thinks about it again. It's n…
Have you been this upset all this while at the fact that international students have been required to take a bunch of different vaccines as a prerequisite for admission in US colleges ? You may have been, I don't know.
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Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be…
Because obesity does not overload our hospitals within just a few weeks.
True .. and also you can bet that most obese people, if it would be a simple as taking a shot to get rid of that, most would likely do it at some point (similar for smokers).
Also haven't heard of just infecting others with obesity..
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#77At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).
Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.
Please don't overuse the word racism. Yes, a smaller percentage of black people in both the US and Canada are vaccinated. Yes they have very good reasons to be distrustful of government and institutions in general. It doesn't mean the vaccine distribution or enforcement is racist.
I am very much against the forced vaccinations of people, and I very much abhor what is happening in Canada (where I live) with the vaccine passports and the making of the unvaccinated second class citizens. But don't make the term racism a worthless term by using it for everything. It's counterproductive.
I say all this as a black Trinidadian immigrant that lives in Canada. I am vaccinated myself, but many black people I know are not.
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#78This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
Don't agree and I feel like the hyperbole I see by people on both sides of "political" issues is out of hand. Yes, this issue has become political even though it shouldn't be.
Maybe the shortage of competent developers will end one day but until then, there is a very competitive labor market for all technical people not just developers. In this market, workers are not required to come into an office therefore vaccination is not an issue.
If they act on the threat, it's at their own peril and other businesses will gain. It's not the end of civil rights though.
Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired
#79This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
Oh, FFS, vaccine mandates are not "totally unprecedented."
They are, in fact, extremely common. The first vaccine mandate in the US was in 1809.
Complain if you want, but don't base your complaints on blatant falsehoods.
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1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.
> violate their rights Can you talk us through exactly which rights you think are being violated?
The right to do whatever I feel like because that’s what “freedom” means /s