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Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?
It's capitulation to coercion, which has its own side effects.
Like rickets?
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#13This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
There is no civil right to work at Google...
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1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights.
2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments.
3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.
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#15We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? It feels like the public are building their own prisons. Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies?
>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…
With the exception of healthcare I don't think a lot of companies have mandated vaccines. My wife works in healthcare and there was a tuberculosis shot mandate for specific jobs at her hospital. There was a flu shot mandate of sorts, but it was tied to a small bonus.
You can't point to a small sector that has mandates and say it wouldn't be a significant change if suddenly 100% of all workers everywhere were subjected to it.
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Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?
It's capitulation to coercion, which has its own side effects.
You're talking about employment where the employer makes much much of off your labor than you will ever receive, and you are powerless to demand your fair share. Yet instead, a safe workplace is the coercive part?
If you don't want to be coerced, you had better not be an employee with wages. Go out there and start your own business.
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#18This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
We should have thought about that when we were invading and toppling every single ecosystem out there. WHO and others were warning time and again but nothing changed. We (as a civilisation) brought this to ourselves and we have to weather it out as best as we can. So far science/vaccines/meds are the best bet. If they fcuk it up (say an mRNA batch goes really bad) then all hell will break loose. Still mandatory vaccination and free dissemination of vaccines to poor countries is the only visible way out right now.
But if this seems so difficult I wonder how battling climate change will seem to us.
Definitely interesting times. Albeit dark.
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#19This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
> This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights.
“all civil rights” meaning you have full civil rights but can't force a private company to give you a job when you refuse to follow safety rules? Especially in a country where employers pay for healthcare it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a safe, easy, and highly effective means of avoiding very expensive treatments.
This is also far from unprecedented. I've worked at jobs which required other vaccinations, schools all around the country require a ton of vaccinations, and the people who don't want to do that for whatever reason have always had the option of homeschooling, finding another job, etc. If this is such an important issue to you, take responsibility for the consequences of your choice — there's certainly a long tradition of people accepting that as a cost of their religious decisions.
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#20This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.
What about the rights of a private (in the sense of government) company to make their own decisions?
I don't believe in the rights of private companies to do just anything they want to workers. Most people don't - look at the popularity of indoor smoking bans. Most also agree a private business shouldn't be allowed to deny employment or service based on race. There are many, many such examples.