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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by solididiot »

epistasis wrote: post #13
nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

There is no civil right to work at Google...

I may sound like a sucker/fanboy/looser but having tried twice to enter and having failed both times I really cannot imagine giving up a role in Google because of vaccination. It just sounds like giving up so much for so little (a cause). I mean I was literally crying the first time around.

Anyway. Maybe in US/SV good jobs come easier (I'm in 2nd grade EU country) and thus you can see things clearer. Dunno

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by [deleted] »

acdha wrote: post #19
nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

> This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. “all civil rights” meaning you have full civil rights but can't force a private company to give you a job when you refuse to follow safety rules? Especially in a country where employers pay for healthcare it doesn't seem unreasonable to require a safe,…

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by wedowhatwedo »

Ekaros wrote: post #34
kiba wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have medical exemption, it's just a jab in the arm?

Why can't companies mandate a lobotomy then? After all it is just jab in the brain. You hardly notice it if you receive it...

Yes they can do that. They can then complain about the huge labor shortage.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

Accusations of Racism. Only 28% of young black people in New York are vaccinated as of October, for example.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl...

Edit: Added "young" adjective that was missing, point remains.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by titzer »

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Let's see how far you get walking around completely naked. My guess is about 2 to 3 city blocks. Your civil rights have always been constrained to protect both the safety and sensibilities of those around you. It's the cost of an increasingly crowded planet full of people who also have rights.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by cletus »

What I find sad about this is how many who seem to be against it were just recently so in favour of private business autonomy [1].

No one's rights are being violated here. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you can. But those choices come with consequences, like just about every other choice we make.

It's worth noting that fully remote people won't fall under this policy (from my reading of it anyway) so this isn't a blanket policy.

It's also worth noting that a whole bunch of vaccines are required to attend public school already [2].

[1]: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado...

[2]: https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/sc...

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by chinathrow »

DiffEq wrote: post #39
Oddskar wrote: post #4

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Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be…

Because obesity does not overload our hospitals within just a few weeks.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by toraway1234 »

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Funny how now 3rd world countries have more freedom than 1st world countries due to covid.

Places like Brazil, some countries in Africa, Belarus.

A few exceptions are Sweden, Texas and Florida.

I wish I had the money to move to one of those 3 (I might land a job soon that might allow me to move to Florida very soon).

Might be able to spend 6 months in Florida and 6 months in Brazil, maybe a couple of months in my home country (south american, also not draconian and everything's open but we'll see about it in January).

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

jaquer_1 wrote: post #37
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are free to not work at Google, and you are free to not take part in society if you dont wish to participate in the societal contract.

Then dismantle unions, because people are free to go anywhere else

Um OK? Why not?

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

Does anybody know what exactly their rules are, as the article doesn't actually say? Do they mandate people be vaccinated, or just that they upload their status. Or can they work from home and only have to be vaccinated to be allowed into the office?
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