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Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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LOLz well done, selling happy faces to the most cynical crowd on the internet :D Look at these comments! My oh-my. Seriously though, good piece - if a bit shallow. It's a good start. People need to hear this. Cynicism is the only evil in the world. The opposite, of course, is innocence - and, since this can't exist in pure form, the closest second is gullibility. Not ONE person here will agree that gullibility is a g…

> Your only moral obligation in life is to make this decision for yourself: Do you want to be right? Or do you want to be good?

I'm stealing this.

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But cynicism the philosophy is not the same as holding a cynical mindset all day.

Leading upper-case Cynic philosophers exhibited a lot of behavior that might be called lower-case cynical today. A criticism that is as old as Diogenes (at least Laertius) is that they were essentially a cult of edgelords. They pretended not to care what people thought, but it was just an act, at the same time it was really important to them that people around them knew how little they cared through all the shockingl…

If Diogenes was doing an act he was really into it.

He famously told Alexander the Great to fuck off and stop blocking the light (which leads me to think that the ultimate "fuck you money" is to have no money at all, and not want any).

He would also walk around the market and masturbate in public, which the Athenians found disgraceful. When challenged about this he would reply: how happy would we be if we were able to suppress hunger simply by rubbing our belly.

I really love this character.

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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post #168

LOLz well done, selling happy faces to the most cynical crowd on the internet :D Look at these comments! My oh-my. Seriously though, good piece - if a bit shallow. It's a good start. People need to hear this. Cynicism is the only evil in the world. The opposite, of course, is innocence - and, since this can't exist in pure form, the closest second is gullibility. Not ONE person here will agree that gullibility is a g…

Let me give you a concrete perspective on living in post-communist Bulgaria, which is a rather cynical, nihilistic and fatalistic society, at least by Western standards. There is no meaningful political debate about future policies, what we have instead is name-calling between politicians using a pre-defined set of labels ("anti-communist", "communoid", "Soros-funded foreign agent with a neoliberal agenda", "rusophobe", "rusophile"). It's an inherently fruitless construct which fortifies itself as time passes. The wider population believes in "conventional wisdom" and also recognises these labels. For the anti-communist camp, all of the evil in this country was conceived by a few state security officers during the early 1990s, who were directing a puppet show in front of the population. For the pejoratively called "communoid" camp, all of the evil was caused by the new "democrats" who sold profitable state enterprises for pennies to questionable individuals.

It's a self-inflicted reality which persists much longer than is needed. The state security officers are now mostly dead or in their late 70s, those state enterprises are bankrupt from long ago, yet somehow it is still a relevant identification issue when it comes to your political beliefs.

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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post #168

LOLz well done, selling happy faces to the most cynical crowd on the internet :D Look at these comments! My oh-my. Seriously though, good piece - if a bit shallow. It's a good start. People need to hear this. Cynicism is the only evil in the world. The opposite, of course, is innocence - and, since this can't exist in pure form, the closest second is gullibility. Not ONE person here will agree that gullibility is a g…

> The ones who fight corruption are the most corrupt.

I can understand the other points, but not this one. Can you expand on that?

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I started my early twenties with a positive and optimistic outlook on life, humanity and how my life would progress.

However after a decade where I've lost a parent, failed a few relationships, going through multiple burnouts at work and last but most severe supporting my partner through two cancer treatments (which is thoroughly a hard stop for us trying to start a family) I have been fully transformed from that initial outlook and into a cynic.

And it feels uncomfortable, as it is not the skin I feel used to wearing.

So if nothing else, this article at least directed me towards this no-complain challenge, which I think I'll give a go. For that I'm grateful.

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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Lol looking at the state of our world abs the fact that most people are evil or would happily (and do) go along with evil for a quiet life why on earth would I not be a cynic?

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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Another good quote for the OP is Miguel De Cervantes, author if Don Quixote: "there is madness in too much sanity, and the greatest madness of all is to see things as they are instead of as they should be". He would know: Cervantes killed a rival on a duel at 17 and fled to sea. They were attacked by pirates and he fought well before getting his hand blown off and taken prisoner. He lived in captivity but befriended…

> The point of this story is not that cynics were wrong but that one never would have survived his ordeal It's interesting you'd use that story to make your point because about 2,000 years earlier Diogenes, the founder of Cynicism, was supposedly captured by pirates on the Mediterranean and sold into slavery. Not only did he survive but the man who purchased him was so impressed that he appointed him to run his house…

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Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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post #168

LOLz well done, selling happy faces to the most cynical crowd on the internet :D Look at these comments! My oh-my. Seriously though, good piece - if a bit shallow. It's a good start. People need to hear this. Cynicism is the only evil in the world. The opposite, of course, is innocence - and, since this can't exist in pure form, the closest second is gullibility. Not ONE person here will agree that gullibility is a g…

I don't think it's this black and white. 'Candide' makes a good argument against the other side of the coin, toxic optimism or whatever you want to call it. Horrible things absolutely do happen and ignoring this doesn't make things better. Maybe the problem is an inappropriate amount of faith. Not in the religious sense of the word, but as in confidence in external things. The optimists have far too much, the cynics…

>Often the question that should be asked is "why aren't you doing the things you know you should do?"

Why is there a "should"? Is there a unique and universal way to determine what someone should do? Given the same situation two different people can act in two different ways. Is there a rule implying that one is right and the other is wrong?

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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Isn’t it cynicism (or idealism) just a survival strategy which happens because of your experiences? I know I tend to be more cynical than most of my peers but I always attributed that to growing up in poverty unlike them. Sometimes it seems a lot of people think others can apply their way of thinking or seeing the world and it will make their life instantly better. But I don’t think it can happen if they don’t live i…

I can see how cynicism is a valid strategy in certain contexts, but both you and author don't live in that situation anymore and a different strategy might be optimal in the respective contexts.

I guess the main thing here is to become aware through inspection of your current strategy and evaluate if it needs to be adjusted.

Re: Opt Out of Cynicism

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post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leading upper-case Cynic philosophers exhibited a lot of behavior that might be called lower-case cynical today. A criticism that is as old as Diogenes (at least Laertius) is that they were essentially a cult of edgelords. They pretended not to care what people thought, but it was just an act, at the same time it was really important to them that people around them knew how little they cared through all the shockingl…

If Diogenes was doing an act he was really into it. He famously told Alexander the Great to fuck off and stop blocking the light (which leads me to think that the ultimate "fuck you money" is to have no money at all, and not want any). He would also walk around the market and masturbate in public, which the Athenians found disgraceful. When challenged about this he would reply: how happy would we be if we were able t…

A lot of this is probably apocryphal. He was such an outrageous character that people seem to have used him as a trope when telling jokes, he was a living fictional character and seems to have enjoyed fanning on the stories about him. This is sort of central to the accusation too, he seems to have really reveled in his infamy and no doubt encouraged these stories.

Like the exchange with Alexander, which is questionable if it ever happened or whether it's just an anecdote that went "viral". A tale of how the world's most powerful general hashing words with the world's most impudent homeless man, it's both entertaining and inspires the imagination. A bit like a superman vs batman fight.

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