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Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by namrog84 »

eezurr wrote: post #135

The day we escape death will begin the descent into the longest dark age humanity will ever experience. Death is necessary to allow new ideas and change to be brought into the world. Death is necessary to prevent wealth and power accumulating into fewer hands. Death is necessary for others to enjoy the right to bear and raise children. EDIT: 2 minutes go by and this comment has already been downvoted 3+ times. At lea…

Society won't stay the same if we don't die from age induced problems. Lots of rules and laws will have to change. To say death is only option undercuts the potential for humans to change and become better.

Throughout history there have been plenty of people in power and rule to see the errors of their ways and induce lasting real positive change. Sure there will be growing and transition pains but I for one welcome the impacts that human longevity will bring longer term.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by DeWilde »

progman32 wrote: post #137
NullPrefix wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that make you an antivaxxer? You surely don't want to be mixed up with that crowd, do you?

Let's debate the merit of the poster's argument instead of casting labels around. Do you think there's no scope for medical exemptions for vaccine requirements? High blood sugar is dangerous, and the OP specifically said: > blood sugar spikes greatly worsen my health. I'm curious what the condition is, and if there's mitigations available or if one vaccine is worse than the other.

It worsens my health by increasing the amount of insulin my body secretes and if pushed too high this can cause type 2 diabetes.

Other side effects include cysts and cystic acne. The amount these occurred after both shots was pretty high and the occurrence was pretty persistent for two months after each shot (AZ with 3 months in-between shot).

While both times I had Covid, before and after the vaccine, my insulin stayed within normal ranges. So maybe the attenuated virus vaccines can be used for people like me? Or maybe none, if no risk factors like obesity or old age are present as the side effects are also life shortening.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by jhatemyjob »

eezurr wrote: post #135

The day we escape death will begin the descent into the longest dark age humanity will ever experience. Death is necessary to allow new ideas and change to be brought into the world. Death is necessary to prevent wealth and power accumulating into fewer hands. Death is necessary for others to enjoy the right to bear and raise children. EDIT: 2 minutes go by and this comment has already been downvoted 3+ times. At lea…

Death is still gonna happen, people will just kill each other

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by JamesBarney »

AtticHacker wrote: post #13

How is this different from taking Senolytics? Is it that the vaccine helps your body fight senescent cells rather than having Senolytics remove them?

I think the end result is the same.

But not all senolytics are created equal. They differ in what cells they work on, how powerful they are, and how specific they are (the ratio of senescent to healthy cells they kill).

Here's a quote from the article

> Many of the existing drugs to remove senescent cells are used as anti-cancer agents and may cause negative side effects. Side effects from the new vaccine were fewer, while its efficacy lasted longer, the team said

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by no_way »

dougmwne wrote: post #55
booleandilemma wrote: post #29

Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

Death represents a pretty serious destruction of human capital. If people will work forever, then why not let them live forever, much less retraining and less money spent on recruiting. This is only semi-sarcastic;)

Death does allow for new cultural shift in society, imagine if all the politicians lived forever, the space for change would be even more limited than it is now/

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by lottin »

booleandilemma wrote: post #29

Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

I don't know why you assume it will be unaffordable.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by anonuser123456 »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #2

Sign me up for this the second it is available. As an aside, to spite anti vaxxers I’m on a mission to get every vaccine I can. I want my bloodstream to be like the Library at Alexandria before it burned down.

I do not recommend getting vaccinated for dengue fever :P

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by hnbrainwashed »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #2

Sign me up for this the second it is available. As an aside, to spite anti vaxxers I’m on a mission to get every vaccine I can. I want my bloodstream to be like the Library at Alexandria before it burned down.

Enjoy dying a slow painful dead you piece of shit :)

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by DFHippie »

derefr wrote: post #113
Frost1x wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. We have a tremendous amount of risk aversion these days and a culture that has disdain for risk, even calculated abstract risks. What many don't realize is being too risk averse comes with its own risks, it also requires accurate risk assessment so you can make the correct decisions on when to take a risk and not. You could lockup in complete fear akin to analysis paralysis where non-zero risk keeps you f…

A few "yes, but..."s: > If you're not traveling outside the US and living a fairly normal life Globally, given an at-least-middle-class lifestyle (and any other years than 2020–2021), "not travelling outside [your home country]" is actually rather abnormal. It's mostly an American thing. I've seen it hypothesized that higher risk-aversion from a media-inculcated culture of fear could be responsible for Americans' uni…

> I've seen it hypothesized that higher risk-aversion from a media-inculcated culture of fear could be responsible for Americans' unique disinterest in international travel.

I suspect it has more to do with the distance between most of the US and other nations combined with the variety Americans perceive within their own borders. Hawaii and Alaska are very different climatically and to a lesser degree culturally from Iowa. In many other nations national borders are closer and there's no intervening ocean, or perhaps only a narrow, theoretically swimmable strait, separating you from the next nation over.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by pengaru »

booleandilemma wrote: post #29

Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

The real affordability problem of immortality is resources to support the population growth when people stop dying off.
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