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Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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> The team, including Juntendo University professor Toru Minamino, confirmed that mice administered with the vaccine showed decreases in the zombie cells, medically known as senescent cells, and in areas affected by arterial stiffening. By now this has become a trope. "Researchers develop new treatment for {UNTREATED_DISEASE}" ... in mice. Mouse models of human disease are very limited in their predictive ability. Th…

Gotta admit though, there has never been a better time to be a mouse.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Sign me up for this the second it is available. As an aside, to spite anti vaxxers I’m on a mission to get every vaccine I can. I want my bloodstream to be like the Library at Alexandria before it burned down.

You already have the Library of Alexandria. That's your lymph nodes. What vaccines do is move some books to the front of the building, so your dentritic cells don't have to spend a few days finding them. You want the right books at the front. A mission to move all the books to the front is perhaps misguided.

Some libraries don't have certain books. Vaccines buy those books for your library (and, as you say, put them in the front).

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

16 is too young and you won't be able to do a lot of things unless you walk around with paperwork all the time. 24 sounds good but I'd pick 30 cause looking 30 people take you a bit more seriously. You will be able to relate more with people in their 30swhen you are 50 but look 30 than with people in their 20s. Of course in this hypothetical scenario if everyone is not aging then it all cahnges.

I bet that assessment would cease to be the case once we have gotten used to 100 year olds that look 16

This assumes that treatment will be available to everyone and not just to select few.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

Death represents a pretty serious destruction of human capital. If people will work forever, then why not let them live forever, much less retraining and less money spent on recruiting. This is only semi-sarcastic;)

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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> The team, including Juntendo University professor Toru Minamino, confirmed that mice administered with the vaccine showed decreases in the zombie cells, medically known as senescent cells, and in areas affected by arterial stiffening. By now this has become a trope. "Researchers develop new treatment for {UNTREATED_DISEASE}" ... in mice. Mouse models of human disease are very limited in their predictive ability. Th…

So we should start with mould? What are you saying exactly? We have to start somewhere...

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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post #32

> The team, including Juntendo University professor Toru Minamino, confirmed that mice administered with the vaccine showed decreases in the zombie cells, medically known as senescent cells, and in areas affected by arterial stiffening. By now this has become a trope. "Researchers develop new treatment for {UNTREATED_DISEASE}" ... in mice. Mouse models of human disease are very limited in their predictive ability. Th…

Gotta admit though, there has never been a better time to be a mouse.

Really? Because they get experimented on and then slaughtered by the thousands

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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> The team, including Juntendo University professor Toru Minamino, confirmed that mice administered with the vaccine showed decreases in the zombie cells, medically known as senescent cells, and in areas affected by arterial stiffening. By now this has become a trope. "Researchers develop new treatment for {UNTREATED_DISEASE}" ... in mice. Mouse models of human disease are very limited in their predictive ability. Th…

This is well known and very well established. We don’t like experimenting on humans. It’s kind of ghoulish and evil.

I get what you’re saying but it’s safe to assume that this concept is already baked into almost everyone’s discussion on matters like this.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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post #32

> The team, including Juntendo University professor Toru Minamino, confirmed that mice administered with the vaccine showed decreases in the zombie cells, medically known as senescent cells, and in areas affected by arterial stiffening. By now this has become a trope. "Researchers develop new treatment for {UNTREATED_DISEASE}" ... in mice. Mouse models of human disease are very limited in their predictive ability. Th…

So we should start with mould? What are you saying exactly? We have to start somewhere...

I just want the breathless headlines to include “in mice” (or appropriate animal) if it wasn’t in humans.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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There's a limit on the number of times a cell can divide(the telomere length), so it seems like a "vaccine" against them would decrease lifespan by reducing the limit by 1.

But it sounds like cells reaching that limit, cause other effects(inflammation, etc.) that are perhaps even worse for lifespan. So this wouldn't be an anti-aging vaccine, but would reduce symptoms of aging.

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