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Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

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There are many peninsulas owned by rich people. Of course they get to decide who can enter. Are you against that as well?

Oh very much so.

Are you against private property all together?

If not, where do you draw the line? Is a private villa acceptable? A private golf course? A hill? A small island?

Can I decide who enters my 220 square meters apartment?

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh very much so.

Are you against private property all together? If not, where do you draw the line? Is a private villa acceptable? A private golf course? A hill? A small island? Can I decide who enters my 220 square meters apartment?

I'm against the super rich, I think tax brackets on the high end should be much higher.

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

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The concept IS NOT to exclude women, the idea was to move to the most distant place possible, and to live a life far away from society, love, sex, etc. - something everybody should respect. These people living there dont want to harm anybody, and there's no reason to "go there an visit them" or to do any bizarre "feminist" actions (which happen quite often there). Intention matters. [repost as my comment was deleted…

Mods didn't touch your comment or even see it. Users flagged it, and rightly so because it was obviously flamebait.

Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the intended spirit of this site more to heart? We want thoughtful, curious conversation here, not ideological bashing.

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

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One of the bad aspects of religions are such restrictions that have no base whatsoever. If we omit this anachronism, Agion Oros, as it's commonly called in Greece, is a nice place to visit (Christian men only) with an unspoiled environment and peaceful way of living. It's common for many Greeks to visit at least once this special place (something like Hajj/Hadji), but in recent times this has been declining. There ar…

You're a victim of the biases and presumptions of your own egalitarian culture. There is a basis. Men and women are different and sexually complementary. One obvious reason is that the sexual tension and constant presence of people of the opposite sex (female orders exclude men also) and subsequent temptation and stirred concupiscence can be a distraction to the spiritual life. But the tendency for sex segregation oc…

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Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you against private property all together? If not, where do you draw the line? Is a private villa acceptable? A private golf course? A hill? A small island? Can I decide who enters my 220 square meters apartment?

I'm against the super rich, I think tax brackets on the high end should be much higher.

That’s not the point, you told me that you are not fine with a whole peninsula being owned by the same entity.

My question is: where do you draw the line?

Can someone own a 300 sq meters house? A castle? A golf course? A small island?

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

#166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against the super rich, I think tax brackets on the high end should be much higher.

That’s not the point, you told me that you are not fine with a whole peninsula being owned by the same entity. My question is: where do you draw the line? Can someone own a 300 sq meters house? A castle? A golf course? A small island?

300 sqm yes, a castle yes, a golf course yes, a small island no.

I also just don't like the church, so there's double the hate at a super rich church.

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

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The concept that sexual tension/activity and a spiritual life are at odds or mutually exclusive is itself a bias and presumption.

For most religions this is a well established fact. As for every spiritual/faith decision you are free to think otherwise, but calling it a bias seems very ungenerous.

It's about as good a "fact" as other "well established fact[s]" in most religions, i.e. not a fact at all, but merely a strong tradition/assertion from authority.

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

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post #163
post #67

The concept IS NOT to exclude women, the idea was to move to the most distant place possible, and to live a life far away from society, love, sex, etc. - something everybody should respect. These people living there dont want to harm anybody, and there's no reason to "go there an visit them" or to do any bizarre "feminist" actions (which happen quite often there). Intention matters. [repost as my comment was deleted…

Mods didn't touch your comment or even see it. Users flagged it, and rightly so because it was obviously flamebait. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the intended spirit of this site more to heart? We want thoughtful, curious conversation here, not ideological bashing.

You have misunderstand what's happening here! This post was #1 on Hackernews, as the article tried to play with common triggers (which somehow worked quite well), letting people believe they are reading about a massive case of sexism - which is not the case here. This topic is often used in the "woke" bubble to literally start a social bushfire on social media pages and news sites. And now it has even reached Hackernews!

I think it's important to clarify what's happening here, as most readers are not greek and simply cannot instantly understand the background and/or dont have the cultural sensitivity to judge this topic correctly.

This article was spread to misinform, and - surprise surprise - , every critical comment was flagged / deleted for trivial reasons. It's sad to see Hackernews moving into a Twitter-like direction, where facts are ignored, but every words is examined for "correct behaviour" according to "the rules".

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

#169
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most religions this is a well established fact. As for every spiritual/faith decision you are free to think otherwise, but calling it a bias seems very ungenerous.

It's about as good a "fact" as other "well established fact[s]" in most religions, i.e. not a fact at all, but merely a strong tradition/assertion from authority.

Still not a bias, but a consequence of a system of values.

Re: Mount Athos, the “Autonomous Monastic State” of Greece (2016)

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the point, you told me that you are not fine with a whole peninsula being owned by the same entity. My question is: where do you draw the line? Can someone own a 300 sq meters house? A castle? A golf course? A small island?

300 sqm yes, a castle yes, a golf course yes, a small island no. I also just don't like the church, so there's double the hate at a super rich church.

Well, I suppose the last sentence kind of betrays your bias.
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