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Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by karaterobot »

perl4ever wrote: post #57
1cvmask wrote: post #5

If they were going to give their award to a truly deserving recipient it would have been the tortured and imprisoned journalist Julian Assange who is an advocate of free speech and an independent media and voices. Instead they gave the awards deliberately to censorship advocates. It's the journalistic equivalent of giving war criminals and killers of children Nobel Peace Prizes like Kissinger and Obama. https://www.h…

I don't understand why one would be surprised at the recipients of the Peace Prize. Alfred Nobel made his fortune from producing weapons and oil. Rehabilitating the reputation of people responsible for vast numbers of deaths seems exactly appropriate for the Peace prize when that's its purpose from the beginning.

What does that have to do with the selection of Nobel winners 125 years later? Honestly, what relationship could it possibly have? Are the awards haunted?

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Post by philjohn »

pessimizer wrote: post #65
philjohn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of that was people passing those things off as fact, when there wasn't the evidence to back them up? The problem is, everyone thinks they've become an epidemiologist and virologist over the last 18 months, people jump onto pre-prints that haven't been peer reviewed to push whatever narrative they want - some of the trials that claimed to show Ivermectin as a wonder drug were plagued with badly designed trial…

> How much of that was people passing those things off as fact, when there wasn't the evidence to back them up? The censors haven't held themselves to the same standards when identifying "misinformation," and they certainly jumped on studies that were terrible, such as the fraudulent hydroxychloroquine Lancet study. > If people say "it could have been a lab leak" (and many people did, without being "censored") And ma…

Do you have examples you can share of people censored for raising the question, not declaring as a definitive fact?

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Post by gorwell »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #43
karl11 wrote: post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

Define `hateful` or `harmful`.

And would your definition reflect Instagram's definition, as seen in the following example?

https://twitter.com/GaiaRiot10/status/1468787960216797190

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

chroem- wrote: post #9
karl11 wrote: post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Correct. I am absolutely done with this level of doublespeak.

The article is factually incorrect. For instance, the Russian journalist did not mention Silicon Valley companies nor did he intend to mean that social networks are promoting authoritarianism and waging war.

Instead, he referred multiple times to the mainstream media in Russia that is tightly controlled by the state and is acting as a propaganda device that serves short-term goals of the ruling elite, promoting war in Ukraine and anti-western sentiments along the way.

NPR took pretext of an event to present an opinion.

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Post by [deleted] »

gorwell wrote: post #73
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

Define `hateful` or `harmful`. And would your definition reflect Instagram's definition, as seen in the following example? https://twitter.com/GaiaRiot10/status/1468787960216797190

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Post by christophilus »

rubicon33 wrote: post #46
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ?

dang. I wish every platform had a dang. The world would be a much better place.

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Post by F6F6FA »

1cvmask wrote: post #5

If they were going to give their award to a truly deserving recipient it would have been the tortured and imprisoned journalist Julian Assange who is an advocate of free speech and an independent media and voices. Instead they gave the awards deliberately to censorship advocates. It's the journalistic equivalent of giving war criminals and killers of children Nobel Peace Prizes like Kissinger and Obama. https://www.h…

How can you have integrity of the justice system if you don't have integrity of facts?

What you call torture, is the isolation and lack-of-stimulus we put all prisoners through. This treatment is not specific to harass Assange, but Assange and his team wants special treatment specific to Assange.

Assange is different in many ways. A journalist normally does not convince a suicidal army recruit in Iraq to search the local network for more encrypted files he and his team can crack themselves. The only country to reward such behavior with a medal would maybe be Russia.

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Post by sergiomattei »

jakear wrote: post #40
smt88 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those governments (and the ones in the US) are at least beholden to voters. Large companies have no accountability, and if they disrupt the democratic process, they have no consequences either. Mark Zuckerberg is the authoritarian ruler of an extremely powerful entity that, in some countries, is more powerful than any local government.

> more powerful than any local government I’ll believe that when I see FB agents smashing down doors to imprison (/kill) activists.

They can, indirectly. The side effects of their actions and deep knowledge on individuals can be used for violence or ill will.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

hereforphone wrote: post #69

Keep in mind that the Nobel Prize is a political prize as much as anything else. It's there to reward certain behaviors. I can cite examples but I'd rather not be inflammatory.

This time, the committee made a decent choice. They basically took two not very well known but highly respectable journalists and shunned them from premature death by giving them the prize.

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Post by chroem- »

philjohn wrote: post #66
chroem- wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the same social media companies that allowed, nay promoted, a Russia truther narrative that Vladmir Putin personally stole the 2016 election to install his sleeper agent in the US presidency. The same truther narrative whose architects have since been arrested for propagating it.

You didn't answer the question ... what are some examples of posts, or viewpoints that are, according to you, verboten? And didn't the GOP helmed investigation find that there was a concerted disinformation campaign waged by Russia, as well as numerous links between people in the Trump campaign and Russian operatives? Edit: and there are plenty of people on one side of the spectrum claiming that Biden is "in bed with…

You're attempting to change the subject and I'm not going to take the bait. Mass censorship is far bigger than any one political issue.

As per your second paragraph, no, that is false. They made a small ad buy to sow bipartisan political division. Please stop promoting misinformation.

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