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Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ?

Content moderators. At the very least. I'm all for free speech, but what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare.

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Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

No worries, this time it's the good guys who want to censor you. We'd never abuse such power. We're just saving you from the bad guys. Pinky swear.

Big Tech ( well arguably only Google and Apple ) has been painting themselves as so righteous and they have now painted themselves into corners. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I always knew the day would come for Google. I just never imagined how things changed under Tim Cook.

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Systemic lopsided moderation (i.e. censorship) of one political viewpoint is absolutely denying people the right to participate in the democratic process. Just because we disagree with their viewpoint does not make censorship justified, nor does it take away from the fact that it is currently happening.

Can you plese define what that political viewpoint is you're talking about? Is it saying that the government should be smaller and not involved in everyday life, or is it doing things like claiming an election was stolen, which has led to real world harm (poll workers receiving death threats), or calling for violence?

These are the same social media companies that allowed, nay promoted, a Russia truther narrative that Vladmir Putin personally stole the 2016 election to install his sleeper agent in the US presidency. The same truther narrative whose architects have since been arrested for propagating it.

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Aren't governments (especially Germany and Australia for what they are doing at the moment) way more scarier than big tech? I am not scared of Google or Facebook at all. I am, however, scared of governments. Especially seeing how the pandemic was handled and how little resistance the handling got from the citizens.

I think not. I mean, I am not scared directly of Google and Facebook, I am scared of the tools they put at the disposal of people manipulating discourse. I don't think FB nor G even _want_ to be in this discussion, but they just don't have any other choice, they would rather just rake in their big wads of cash. No, the danger comes from the way the tools are used. I have seen several people dear to me fall into some really bad beliefs that are not rational. I think that the whole "tracking" discussion's most dangerous in this aspect, it can, statistically, persuade people of things that don't make sense and don't pass the reason test. Basically, really effective propaganda. Just this time, anyone with time can access this propaganda machine. Want to destabilize a country from within? No problem, you don't even have to be be there.

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This issue is so complicated. Yellow journalism existed in the 1920s. It's nothing new. There will always be people that want to consume these materials and believe them. The alarming thing are the calls for censorship. Look at how bad the media and platforms have been about Covid. Early advice on masking, lab leak, adipose inflammation, and other fairly innocuous lines of research were censored. Imagine centrally pu…

How much of that was people passing those things off as fact, when there wasn't the evidence to back them up? The problem is, everyone thinks they've become an epidemiologist and virologist over the last 18 months, people jump onto pre-prints that haven't been peer reviewed to push whatever narrative they want - some of the trials that claimed to show Ivermectin as a wonder drug were plagued with badly designed trial…

> How much of that was people passing those things off as fact, when there wasn't the evidence to back them up?

The censors haven't held themselves to the same standards when identifying "misinformation," and they certainly jumped on studies that were terrible, such as the fraudulent hydroxychloroquine Lancet study.

> If people say "it could have been a lab leak" (and many people did, without being "censored")

And many people did with being censored (with or without scare quotes.)

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Can you plese define what that political viewpoint is you're talking about? Is it saying that the government should be smaller and not involved in everyday life, or is it doing things like claiming an election was stolen, which has led to real world harm (poll workers receiving death threats), or calling for violence?

These are the same social media companies that allowed, nay promoted, a Russia truther narrative that Vladmir Putin personally stole the 2016 election to install his sleeper agent in the US presidency. The same truther narrative whose architects have since been arrested for propagating it.

You didn't answer the question ... what are some examples of posts, or viewpoints that are, according to you, verboten?

And didn't the GOP helmed investigation find that there was a concerted disinformation campaign waged by Russia, as well as numerous links between people in the Trump campaign and Russian operatives?

Edit: and there are plenty of people on one side of the spectrum claiming that Biden is "in bed with China", which haven't been removed.

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If they were going to give their award to a truly deserving recipient it would have been the tortured and imprisoned journalist Julian Assange who is an advocate of free speech and an independent media and voices. Instead they gave the awards deliberately to censorship advocates. It's the journalistic equivalent of giving war criminals and killers of children Nobel Peace Prizes like Kissinger and Obama. https://www.h…

I don't understand why one would be surprised at the recipients of the Peace Prize. Alfred Nobel made his fortune from producing weapons and oil. Rehabilitating the reputation of people responsible for vast numbers of deaths seems exactly appropriate for the Peace prize when that's its purpose from the beginning.

Agree completely. It is always NOT given to the deserving party based on it's prima facie claims. Of course the agenda is completely different to the stated one and hence their choice of the undeserving and oftentimes murderous vile people.
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