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Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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The same career path as a professional athlete. Some go into commentating, some go into sports management, and most retire broke and have to pick up a whole new career in their late 20s/early 30s.

Bingo -- they struggle through their 20s until they realize they need to pick a practical career in their early 30s.

That's a helluva wide brush you just stroked there. Not everyone follows this path, but it's certainly pervasive in sports & entertainment.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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I have 5?k hours in LoL around high plat / in previous season low diamond and I'd say that LoL while being different from competitive programming is still exhausting if you want to play it with full focus for a few hours. Of course there's difference between playing ARAMs for fun and tryharding on "relatively competent" ELO where you try to do not commit mistakes as hard as you can and games are not "fiestas" (lack o…

How often do you engage your slow brain (from thinking fast and slow)? I feel like it's like speed chess and not normal chess. You have no time to think till after the game, you just have to do and trust your gut. The slow brain is what exhausts you.

There are slower and faster moments.

e.g after recalling/killing enemies/dying you have like 30sec to look around map and think what you as team want to do / achieve and how to do that

It depends on the stage of the game, but generally when enemies are around, then you may don't have time to think.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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He’s on pace to earn more then $3 million before he turns 30. He doesn’t much of a plan to live reasonably for many years.

He said in this article he's already earned $5 million.

2.5 for Twitch so far was listed earlier in the articles. Either way, my point stands, he can retire if wants.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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This article is fascinating for the effects it has on readers. We likely all understand that one of the toxic forces in our culture today is the compulsive need to turn every story and news article into a clear moral narrative with a pure protagonist and a villainous antagonist. Reality isn't like that at all, and when journalists force reality into that framework, it distorts our perception of the world in unhealthy…

Agreed. I'm kinda shook at a lot of the comments here, IMO missing the point (or lack of point) of the article. It's a slice of life view into a poignantly tragic story of a kid "lucking" into a terrible pair of golden handcuffs - a view into the apex of parasocial relationships. Someone who so clearly lacks any semblance of a social life, in the same hand creating a social environment for thousands of people - chiefly centered around making fun of him. There's no moral "good" or "bad" here.

As readers we can draw our own conclusions here, but to call the author biased into making the life/platform/phenomenon of twitch streamers bad? That's just a really narrow view of a fairly compelling article.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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What's the career progression for streamers and eSports players, anyway? I feel like everyone that does this now is going to be tired of it in 5 years, and then they're just 30 and without a college degree or job experience.

You could ask the same of any developer in their 30s or 40s, most of whom earn less per year than the subject of TFA, and who similarly will have trouble finding work in their field in 10-20 years (if the ageism doesn't go away).

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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How often do you engage your slow brain (from thinking fast and slow)? I feel like it's like speed chess and not normal chess. You have no time to think till after the game, you just have to do and trust your gut. The slow brain is what exhausts you.

There are slower and faster moments. e.g after recalling/killing enemies/dying you have like 30sec to look around map and think what you as team want to do / achieve and how to do that It depends on the stage of the game, but generally when enemies are around, then you may don't have time to think.

That's been my experience too. I never felt exhausted playing. Thinking about what to do better between games was more draining.

I've never played competitively, though I did get to about top 3000 in North America. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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The article mentions that Tyler makes $300k per year in merchandise alone (so excluding any actual sponsored content). Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. Where is the line? Is entertainment only valid on TV? YouTube? Some commenters here even said that it's all good now but that it won't work in his thirties or something as if there aren't a ton of jobs out there that…

Not a real job is a quite good stance to take. Because there is an absurd power law at play here, the absolute top make a lot of money. In a "real job" you are paid a living wage, on twitch you are paid scraps if you don't make it to the top.

Hasn't it always been this way in music, art, writing, and media? Making a living doing any kind of art or media has always been brutal. How many rock bands made a decent living, let alone serious money?

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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>Streamers like Tyler form the backbone of tech giants’ “creator economy,” Maybe this is pessimism, but calling streamers "creators" feels like a perverse label.

Why?

Because they entertain, making them primarily entertainers. We should reserve labels like "creators" for people who are actually building things, not streaming their lives on camera for an audience.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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To give some numbers: There are more than 10 millions Streamers on Twitch, of which 5 millions are streaming regularly. The top 10_000 of them earns barely minimum wage or more. The Top 1000-5000 is earning some decent money on middle-class-level and the millionairs-club is around Top 100. And these numbers are globally, meaning all streamers from all countries. So we are still talking about an absurd low number of p…

Now do this for football players. Over the age of 6: 5.16 million High school: 1 million College: 70k Pro: 1,700 Also a power law distribution.

Same for musicians, artists, actors. It's really not abnormal.
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