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“ But as a gig worker for a media empire, even a successful streamer like Tyler has a livelihood that’s inherently unstable — without insurance, unions, sick days, retirement funds or hope for a sustainable career.”

That’s funny. He has earned more in a year than many in a decade. Million a year and it’s unstable. What makes you think the job of a software engineer is stable! He is skilled in entertainment. He will find a way.

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Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

My dad worked for startups on-and-off and he definitely was productive for a lot more than 8 hours per day. He does agree that for truly novel work there's a limit, but for every novel problem to solve, there's dozens[1] of reported bugs to investigate, so there's plenty of work to fit between work on new things.

1: That number seems small today, but I got the sense that bug-discovery by customers at least was limited by the low number of customers that a b2b startup had in the 80s.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Some heroin users are also incredibly dedicated to finding their next score. They show intense focus when it comes to seeking out their next hit. Why do you think demonstrating focus on an addictive video game is the same as solving open-ended computer science problems?

There's huge amounts of space between "open-ended computer science problems" (your words) and "classic programming tasks" (gp's words)

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying this is a real job prospect. If a kid told me he wanted to be a Twitch streamer I'd say he can't be one, same as professional singer or musician in general. What I am saying that what Tyler has very much is a real job and successful business. You wouldn't say Taylor Swift is jobless because very few people make it in the pop music world.

>If a kid told me he wanted to be a Twitch streamer I'd say he can't be one You'd be lying though, and your kid would probably grow up to resent it. There are ways to educate kids about the relative risks of careers in good faith.

It was a volunteer oversimplification to explain my reasoning, not parenting advice.

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What's the career progression for streamers and eSports players, anyway? I feel like everyone that does this now is going to be tired of it in 5 years, and then they're just 30 and without a college degree or job experience.

He’s on pace to earn more then $3 million before he turns 30. He doesn’t much of a plan to live reasonably for many years.

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Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

Society is finding ways to value a wider range of talents. Different people are good at different things and, unfortunately, only a subset of those things are valued in the economy.

These technologies are allowing people to display their talents and allowing them to make money off of them. Back in the day being good at video games was a fun thing to do when you had free time. Now there is a small chance you can make a living off it.

I can't remember the quote but Warren Buffett once said that the only reason he is a billionaire is that he was born at the right time, with the right gender (back when women weren't allowed to do much), and with the right talents.

Valuing a wider range of talents allows more people to participate in the economy. Crypto for example allows developers to inject little bits of economy into apps. Perhaps in the future someone can make a living creating really good cat memes instead of a deadend job that is basically useless anyways.

If that last sentence offended you I'd suggest you checkout the book "Bullshit Jobs".

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

I think the impressive thing is doing it day after day. I can do lots of things, including programming, for 12+ hours. The trouble is, after a day or two of that, I desperately don't want to do whatever-it-is for several days or weeks. I want to go do other stuff.

It's the doing it day after day on a regular schedule that makes me feel like I never really recover from programming, and just want to zone out and stare at the wall until bed time, having very little energy left for anything either fun or productive, after 4-5 hours, most days.

I'll even do that with video games. Get the family out of the house and give me a weekend, I'll play vidja games for like 16 hours. Then wake up the second day and not want to touch a game for at least a week, and instead start doing home improvement projects or whatever. Or sit outside and read a book all day. Not because I feel like I should, but because it's the thing I most want to be doing, and I have zero desire to look at a screen for a good long while.

The regularity of work is what makes it so damn draining, for me. I'm sure it'd ruin gaming for me in short order, too, though I'd have fared a lot better at it back when I was in my teens or early 20s than I would now, for sure. I can't do 30 waking hours of anything now. 24 just about ruins me. I could get to about 36-38 before hitting a wall and passing out for like 12 hours, back then. 30 wasn't that big a deal, and I hit that mark pretty often (usually, yeah, playing video games for a good chunk of it).

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, he's right. I play league. Coding all day is much less draining.

Except when you're drained you won't have the creativity to solve another programming task. But you will be able to queue up again. It also gets easier the more you play, because you're relying on the same skills that you build up with every match.

I haven't ever played a MOBA, but fixing bugs (which takes up a significant amount of developer time), seems to be about as rote as playing an RTS (which I have played, albeit almost 20 years ago).

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This reads as very biased and judgmental. It treats streamers as kids who can't take care of themselves and don't understand the long-term impact of their lifestyle and career choice. It honestly makes me wonder if the author is jealous of the subject. It seems like the piece is really reaching to make Tyler's life appear as irresponsible as possible. Plenty of people in all careers don't know how to run their lives…

People like to be bitter about others finding success in spaces they don't they don't like or don't take very seriously.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Streaming aside, tyler1 has an almost inhuman dedication and focus when it comes to League of Legends. On Hacker News it's common to hear that programmers can't work (on classic programming tasks) for more than ~4 hours a day. I also feel exhausted after working for ~4 hours and have always wondered if this was some sort of mental trap I'd fallen into or a genuine limit. Games like League of Legends require complete…

Some heroin users are also incredibly dedicated to finding their next score. They show intense focus when it comes to seeking out their next hit. Why do you think demonstrating focus on an addictive video game is the same as solving open-ended computer science problems?

> Why do you think demonstrating focus on an addictive video game is the same as solving open-ended computer science problems?

Firstly, I probably wouldn't classify the work most of us do as "solving open-ended computer science problems" so I'm not trying to make a comparison to that work.

Secondly, I guess it stands out to me because I watch other people play the same addictive game and are unable to play at a high level for the same lengths of time. If it were just an addictive property of the game, we should expect to see thousands of tyler1's as we see thousands of heroin addicts. Since we do not, it makes me think that there's something special with him.

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