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Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by pvarangot »

claylimo wrote: post #47
vorpalhex wrote: post #40

I use the hypnogagic state as part of my meditation routine. I always shower before bed and that's when I tend to start getting sleepy. So I started meditating during that time. I can get to the phase of seeing shifting colors and patterns very easily in this setup. I've been able to get there outside the hypnogagic state but only with some difficulty and not consistently.

Meditation is about being alert and present. Hypnagogia in my experience is a hindrance that impedes meditation progress since it dulls the senses and experience.

Mindful meditation, a technique very popular among big tech HR departments that want alert and present employees, is about being alert and present. There's many techniques and first hand stories of people achieving states more similar to like the one in the article with more let's say "older" or simpler and more basic meditation techniques that don't require too much mental gymnastics. Bodhidharma staring at a wall comes to mind.

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Post by bentcorner »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

I recognize this exact moment, because it occurs precisely prior to when I begin snoring, and my wife will sometimes nudge me awake. The best I can describe it in concrete terms is that the world stretches before me and my mind bounces around for a moment.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by IWantToRelocate »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

You just described exactly what happens to me and that "sleep phobia", I read somewhere, is linked usually to people with anxiety/panic attack issues. Not sure if that's your case but 100% accurate in my case.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by t8e56vd4ih »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

the state you describe i only, but then very clearly, experience when falling asleep while being stoned.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by Terry_Roll »

"In N1, you can imagine shapes, colors or even bits of dreams in front of your closed eyes, yet still hear stuff in your room"

So is this when DMT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine starts to rise? It would make sense if it does, but melatonin increases before you get to N1 so I wonder what DMT is like without the melatonin? Maybe that's why there are rumours of some coders microdosing LSD in Silicon Valley, to keep up the creativity, but I cant help but think DMT might be better.

Now if you take some Lecithin before sleep maybe a gram or two, you will dream, but your dreams if you remember them which you probably will, will be based around events before you went to sleep. This then leads further credence to dreams being an indicator to help you process previous days or more historical events. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecithin This is what I think is really helping your brain though, choline is used in the connections between neurons and explains baby brain forgetfulness with pregnant women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylcholine

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Post by pvarangot »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Yeah I call it being aware of ones thought process in third person. It's not that unusual of an angle of perception, the first place I ever saw it "documented" was here:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Perceived_exposure_to_inner_...

which leads to a very accurate description of that kind of visualizations:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/8B_Geometry_-_Perceived_expo...

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by pvarangot »

t8e56vd4ih wrote: post #84
josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

the state you describe i only, but then very clearly, experience when falling asleep while being stoned.

Do you also have the visualizations of interlinked concepts? I find weed makes me have "the thoughts" and they are very present and come fast, but being absolutely sober sometimes those thoughts are there but not moving as fast and they it's more likely they also come with visualizations of the thought process.

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Post by mmastrac »

bogwog wrote: post #43
mabcat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent a bit of time trying to do it with flex sensors. Strap one to your hand, make a fist, take your nap, detect when muscle tone is lost and it unbends. I ran out of interest before I got it to work but I still think it's viable. Probably smart to build the flex sensor into a glove for ease of use, and you could put the microcontroller on there too. https://core-electronics.com.au/flex-sensor-2-2.html

You could also buy one of those two-piece door sensors that sound an alarm when you separate them. Tie one to your hand (or glue it onto a special sleeping glove), and hold the other piece. Only potential problem is that you might get a heart attack considering how loud those things can be.

I think these are just hall effect sensors and you can find Arduino compatible ones

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Post by svachalek »

When I was younger, often "falling" asleep felt like literally falling. I'd slam my arms down on the bed to "catch" myself, and shoot straight into a panicked awake state until my heart was ready to sleep again. I'd usually have memories just as described, weird combinations of the physical reality of my bedroom with random dream-stuff. I've also felt this on airplanes, not able to fall into any deeper level of sleep but fast-forwarding through time in a semi-aware state.

I did have some really interesting ideas, but usually without writing them down they are forgotten, so I tried that for a while. Can't say I ever thought of anything actually useful this way though, or ever thought about doing it to myself on purpose.

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