What about all the IoT stuff out in the field that can't be easily upgraded?
Plan Ahead for Phase Out of 3G Cellular Networks and Service
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In the EU new cars now are mandated to have an automatic way to call the emergency services after a crash, I wonder if the governments have a clause about what would happen if 3G is turned off (I guess they're not planning to do that for a while yet). If I were in power and I genuinely cared about saving the planet, I'd figure out how to make cars without this auto-emergency-dial system more expensive to insure; that…
Why use such an indirect and backwards method? If you were in power, you could just tax non-green cars, rather than promote cars that become useless in 5 years when technology moves on.
It's a balance between doing what you want and screwing people hard enough to get voted out or violently deposed (transition mechanism depends on the system of government in question).
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cell phones and mobile devices in general have always been disposable items with limited expected lifespans. Instead of worrying about keeping obsolete devices working we should focus on clean disposal and recycling that minimizes waste and pollution.
> Cell phones and mobile devices in general have always been disposable items with limited expected lifespans. I agree with your second point, but I want to push back on this first point a bit. While it seems like manufacturers benefit from devices being disposable, I don't see a strong reason why they should be. The reality is that extending the lifespan of devices is one of the best ways to lower consumption. When…
I see a very strong reason. It’s not lifespan that matters, it’s attention span.
You could build a device with a 1000 year lifespan, but it’s a waste of effort if the consumer wants a new one after 5 years. It’s optimal to build a device with a lifespan that will only be as long as a consumer’s interest in it.
Re: Plan Ahead for Phase Out of 3G Cellular Networks and Service
#74What about all the IoT stuff out in the field that can't be easily upgraded?
It will stop working.
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>...3G has another 12 years ahead of it "Assembly Research founder Matthew Howett told BBC News the change would probably come sooner than the government's 2033 deadline." 12 years is the deadline by which it must be done, not how long it will be around. 3G will be shut off in as as little as a year in some cases: "BT revealed plans to phase out 3G by 2023, and 2G later in the decade."
Well that sucks. Also a strange quote from BT since they don't actually have a mobile network.
BT bought EE in 2016
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why use such an indirect and backwards method? If you were in power, you could just tax non-green cars, rather than promote cars that become useless in 5 years when technology moves on.
It's a balance between doing what you want and screwing people hard enough to get voted out or violently deposed (transition mechanism depends on the system of government in question).
Sure, but second point is that it's dumb to assume "smart" or "connected" cars are more green. If they are being obsoleted much faster than "dumb" cars, then whether or not they are electric makes little difference in the grand scheme of things.
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#78A lot of people in car forums are super upset about this and angry with their specific automaker. But of course, it is happening to all of them that haven't moved off of 3G. https://www.toyota.com/audio-multimedia/support/3g-faq/ https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10537/~/... https://www.subaru.com/3g-network-retirement.html?SIE=9ad00c... Etc. https://autobala.com/how-3g-shutdown-in-2022-will-ruin-yo…
The 3g phaseout arguably makes all those cars more secure.
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#79A lot of people in car forums are super upset about this and angry with their specific automaker. But of course, it is happening to all of them that haven't moved off of 3G. https://www.toyota.com/audio-multimedia/support/3g-faq/ https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10537/~/... https://www.subaru.com/3g-network-retirement.html?SIE=9ad00c... Etc. https://autobala.com/how-3g-shutdown-in-2022-will-ruin-yo…
The 3g phaseout arguably makes all those cars more secure.
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Cell phones and mobile devices in general have always been disposable items Only if you define "always" as post-2010. Cell phones were for a very long time considered long-term purchases, along the lines of washing machines and refrigerators. It was only when they became fashion accessories and certain companies started relying on pushing out new models every year for no reason other than to boost the balance sheet t…
That's simply wrong. In the US at least, prior to 2010 cell phones were typically replaced about every 3 years. The Motorola Razr flip phone was absolutely a fashion accessory in 2004; watch some music videos from that era. Motorola and other brands did push out new models every year.
I'm not "simply wrong." I just has a cell phone long before you did.