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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by gonehome »

Siira wrote: post #739
gonehome wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is the CSAM measures they were doing may have enabled them to encrypt the iCloud iMessage backups since they’d still be able to help the feds with CSAM. Instead everything remains unencrypted.

You can use another messaging app that supports encryption. Some of us don’t want your laziness resulting in local scanners on devices that we have paid for.

Then don’t enable iCloud backup. If you do enable iCloud backup you’ll have your images scanned in both cases.

There’s functionally no difference, except one offers a future path to encryption on iCloud servers.

If this was about on device scanning without iCloud backup enabled then I’d agree with you, but it’s not.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by fundad »

scottcodie wrote: post #159

Apple works with the US government too. Apple operates in China so it'd be prudent to work with the government for mutual benefit. I'm not sure I see why this is being framed as a bad thing.

In the US it's legal for the president to solicit bribes so they don't have to hide the agreements. They can do it out in the open.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by fundad »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #385

....Wait, Apple doesn't actually give a shit about privacy or any other supposed principle it lies about to sell products? Color me shocked bro

As long as you wanted the product and got it in exchange for money, anything the company says can be safely ignored.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by justicezyx »

lastbitwritten wrote: post #717
star-trek-fleet wrote: post #693

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> I guess as long as the tank tread on your neck is Chinese - it’s not a problem. Are you implying mg Chinese identity will be a problem in US then? Are you threatening or are you joking? > Better to be called a facist in democracy than to live in the authoritarian dictatorship you provide unceasing support to. I provide uneasy support to China and CCP? No! I uneasily support the mutual understanding between China an…

To not oppose dictatorship is to embrace it. Sic semper tyrannis, and their bootlicking lapdogs too.

I have no issues embracing US dictatorship when Julian Assange was ruled to extract to US.

I also have no issue of embracing Chinese dictatorship when what?

The point is that nations are complicated. From individual to a national government. If you want to use dictatorship to describe 1.4b people's collective, then you are simply too lazy to think.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by stale2002 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #728
stale2002 wrote: post #476

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Yeah they would exist. Lots of companies are able to exist without giving in to completely silly demands like "increase the size of these islands". > If you want change Actually, customers are able to cause lots of economic damages to companies, or their employees. There is more that one way to Target Apple employees than what you suggested.

For example?

Well, for example, people and companies could target any of the employees directly, who work on those kinds of deals.

Target them personally, make them personally responsible for the actions that they did while thinking that they were some faceless entity in the machine, and make them toxic entities to hire or work with.

Sure, the company itself might be able to insulate itself from consequences, but not the individuals themselves. It would make people think twice about the actual negative effects of their actions, if they knew it would put them on blacklists.

Companies are run by people. It is not some faceless AI. Instead, decisions are made by individuals. And individuals are vulnerable.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by 908B64B197 »

arcticbull wrote: post #736
908B64B197 wrote: post #713

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> I don't know what guidance State Department staffers follow when determining who gets a visa, but the process is more opaque, and I suspect more subjective. Except for categories where there's an extremely high burden of proof for extraordinary abilities, it's simply someone's ability to get a job no American is qualified to take (and be so in demand that it commands a salary in the top percentiles for the professi…

> ... it's simply someone's ability to get a job no American is qualified to take. Not exactly, its someone's ability to get a job that their employer cannot find a more qualified candidate after advertising the job in the local newspaper for 6 months including at least two separate Sundays.

There's more to it than that.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

arcticbull wrote: post #735
908B64B197 wrote: post #714

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> The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded What I posted is people who moved to the US, not people that had a desire to move. > Meanwhile... [1] It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan.

> It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan. Yes, because these are economic migrants and economic migrants are going to try for the most active and lucrative market first. If they can't get a visa, they'll certainly take their second pick. They'll then build up that…

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by Spooky23 »

Siira wrote: post #739
gonehome wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is the CSAM measures they were doing may have enabled them to encrypt the iCloud iMessage backups since they’d still be able to help the feds with CSAM. Instead everything remains unencrypted.

You can use another messaging app that supports encryption. Some of us don’t want your laziness resulting in local scanners on devices that we have paid for.

Congrats, you “won” on an issue that wasn’t an issue and missed the actual problem.

Since the 90s, there has always been a mainstream private option. Be it Nextel, BlackBerry PIN, prepaid phones, iMessage, FaceTime, etc. Now that’s gone, and fringe stuff like Signal isn’t a replacement.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by surge »

lovemenot wrote: post #623
anovikov wrote: post #559

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Because China is a dictatorship, it is OK to be seen as a single coherent entity, in my opinion.

Just as in any large political system, China cannot be entirely controlled centrally. There are three or four levels of regional and local control below the centre. It would be impossible for Beijing to administer all of that detail. In foreign affairs, Beijing is sovereign - including anything related to the Senkaku / Diaoyu islands which are presently owned by Japan. So in this respect you are right. For local matt…

>For local matters, there is considerable flexibility and internal conflict. Currently, Beijing encourages citizens to find fault and report administrative issues at local levels, but will brook no dissent of its own management. In domestic administration China is less coherent than your claim.

Your social credit score will go down if you do.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by breakfastduck »

colinmhayes wrote: post #245
breakfastduck wrote: post #120

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There is absolutely no way at all to verify that claim - considering 'better/worse' entirely depends on the happiness of those individuals. Something we have no way of measuring.

https://ourworldindata.org/happiness-and-life-satisfaction people have never been happier

That data comes from 1970s onward. So totally not at all what we were talking about.
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