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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

> Like Epstein? Yes. And like Milosevic. And like Saddam. It's funny how some people choose to commit suicide just before trial.

What? Saddam was executed.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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post #255

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> “he’s a world famous journalist with prior work” That’s a claim not a fact. It’s also possible he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service posing as a journalist. I’m not normally one to side with Mike Pompeo, but I agree with his assessment on this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/mike-pompeo-c... “‘WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence…

It's a fact he's world famous. We've heard of him. It's a fact he's a journalist. We've all read his journalism or at least know of its existence. [1] It's a claim that "he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service" and one with zero evidence to back it up. Everything Assange has done the New York Times has also done. Every single thing he has been charged with in this case. That's also a fact. [1] https://www.…

Just to nitpick on your logic a little. Your first two statements might be true without the statement that he is a world famous journalist is. Trump is world famous, and he's a golfer. But he's not a world famous golfer, at least not in the usual sense of the word.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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I suspect Assange doesn't regret this. I kind of get the impression that becoming a martyr was a sacrifice he was prepared to make if he managed to rip off the mask and expose the unbridled imperialist evil lurking underneath the "civilized press conference veneer" presented by the US government.

It's a bit of a sad sacrifice, though. Nothing (significant) has changed about the US's imperialism as a result of his disclosures, it's just mildly more acknowledged.

The sad part is how few people even know what he published, especially juxtaposed with his sacrifice. If I go talk to the average person about Snowden or Assange they know little to nothing about what they revealed.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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unfortunately he switched from citizen journalist to selective propaganda release and russian propaganda washing.

are you denying he released the truth or are you saying he released the truth, but "others" behaved similarly yet he withheld the truth on them?

> are you denying he released the truth

Yes, 100%. I think the documents he released were all authentic, but that’s a great distance from either being “the truth” or being in service of “the truth”. The majority of propaganda is factual while attempting to subvert "the truth".

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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This sounds like the "mashing together whatever two things are going on at the moment together and claiming they're related" theory of politics.

A hint of tongue in cheek with my comment :)

Poe's Law. Also... phew! :)

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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If Assange is transferred to US custody, there is a strong chance he will be killed (and possibly in a way that makes it look “accidental”). The CIA was actively planning for such scenarios in 2017: https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london...

There's no point in killing him. He's done his damage; punishing him by letting him rot in prison is worse.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition

> “he’s a world famous journalist with prior work” That’s a claim not a fact. It’s also possible he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service posing as a journalist. I’m not normally one to side with Mike Pompeo, but I agree with his assessment on this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/mike-pompeo-c... “‘WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence…

Pre-Trump, I used to joke that American foreign policy was determined by oil companies and defense contractors. Then Mike Pompeo became Secretary of State, and it wasn't funny anymore. Well, it hadn't been funny since Trump; Pompeo took over, of course, from former ExxonMobile CEO Rex Tillerson, who headed the Department of State for the first Trump year.

Given Pompeo's business history, I think it's fair to understand everything he says with the knowledge that he's an avatar of the American military-industrial complex [0]. With that lens in place, of course WikiLeaks is "hostile", have you seen Collateral Murder?!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo#Early_career

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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post #167

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Complicated. I feel that an Australian citizen should not expect to be extradited to the USA for publishing information the USA would rather not be published. Still true even if he is an activist, would still be true even for someone genuinely trying to systematically destroy America and American values, if it’s just publication. Free speech etc. For encouraging Americans to break American laws, which I think is the…

>For encouraging Americans to break American laws, which I think is the non-legalese summary of the accusation? Were Gandhi/MLK/Rosa Parks wrong when they made a point of breaking unjust laws and encouraging others to follow along? Many liberals at the time thought yes - "the law being the law" and all that. It does sound like you're making the same argument they were?

Assange as Ghandhi. Wow.

Remind me about how Rosa Parks ran and hid?

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West can protect people from those countries. World is not unipolar.

Is this a joke? The entirety of those countries citizens are subject to their own government's tyrannical rule

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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It's a bit of a sad sacrifice, though. Nothing (significant) has changed about the US's imperialism as a result of his disclosures, it's just mildly more acknowledged.

The sad part is how few people even know what he published, especially juxtaposed with his sacrifice. If I go talk to the average person about Snowden or Assange they know little to nothing about what they revealed.

> If I go talk to the average person about Snowden or Assange they know little to nothing about what they revealed.

You are doing good, then. Need to keep talking to more people!

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