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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by vbezhenar »

kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West can protect people from those countries. World is not unipolar.

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Post by ttybird2 »

bsimpson wrote: post #245
ttybird2 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage" "Espionage" like publishing warcrimes. "I consider setting up a website purely designed to encourage leaking of potentially classified information and assisting with the ability to do so as being no different than any other criminal conspiracy" Transparency is a government duty. It is a shame but totally justified that private citizens h…

Spelling like a 9 year old who just discovered an Internet chat room undercuts your credibility, as does attacking the person you're replying to. Your question is abhorrently tasteless and irrelevant, which is about all I can say without violating the forum guidelines myself.

I am a non-native english speaker typing on a phone without a spellchecher. I also have dislexia. If you have some specific complaints then please do point them out, I would love to improve.

I am not sure why you think that this is the case given that the person that I am replying to literally worked for an organisation made for killing people and with a known record of torture and warcrimes. Would you welcome a proud ISIS fighter? I would not.

If they killed nobody then they just can say so. I just do not wish to talk to people who murdered people in illegal invasions.

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Post by jtdev »

FredPret wrote: post #244
kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

Ultimately, right and wrong, good and evil are human judgments, sometimes acted upon by humans using human power. There’s nothing transcendent about it. The international rules-based order is safeguarded by powerful entities… because it’s in their best interest. One goes against that self-interest at one’s peril.

Epstein literally molested children and engaged in child sex trafficking, but was powerful enough that he was able to continue doing this - with implied protection from the state - for many years. Only after intense public pressure was Epstein seriously prosecuted.

Assange TELLS THE TRUTH and is crucified internationally for years.

Assange had no power, Epstein was the epitome of corrupt power.

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Post by tata71 »

zoe4883 wrote: post #249
kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

It took 10 years for most powerful entity on earth, I would call that success for Snowden. Real moral of this story is from how it started. With a date and broken condom.

How many errors can fit into such a short comment!

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Post by harry8 »

cainxinth wrote: post #236
lettergram wrote: post #183

To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition

> “he’s a world famous journalist with prior work” That’s a claim not a fact. It’s also possible he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service posing as a journalist. I’m not normally one to side with Mike Pompeo, but I agree with his assessment on this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/mike-pompeo-c... “‘WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence…

It's a fact he's world famous. We've heard of him.

It's a fact he's a journalist. We've all read his journalism or at least know of its existence. [1]

It's a claim that "he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service" and one with zero evidence to back it up. Everything Assange has done the New York Times has also done. Every single thing he has been charged with in this case. That's also a fact.

[1] https://www.newstatesman.com/author/julian-assange

Pompeo walks and talks like a traitor. There, that's a claim, you might find the evidence a little more compelling.

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Post by pydry »

kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

I suspect Assange doesn't regret this.

I kind of get the impression that becoming a martyr was a sacrifice he was prepared to make if he managed to rip off the mask and expose the unbridled imperialist evil lurking underneath the "civilized press conference veneer" presented by the US government.

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Post by tchalla »

bladegash wrote: post #128
yesbut wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...

I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...

Very interesting. The actual war crimes are brushed aside but the person who revealed those war crimes are punished. I wonder how this would have played out if China or Russia did it.

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Post by [deleted] »

DonaldFisk wrote: post #78
sschueller wrote: post #3

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

> Like Epstein? Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides. In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon ). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.

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Post by papito »

kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

"Laws are people, and I can manage people."

- Logan Roy, Succession, HBO

"How do you ensure the green? You can't. As in life, in traffic, you leave yourself an out... You move diagonal, you turn the wheel when you hit a red light. You don't try down Broadway to get to Broadway. You are going to butt heads with these friends of ours? You are going to come at them head on? They got lives, Freddy, families."

- Cop Land

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Post by mdorazio »

DonHopkins wrote: post #179
tifadg1 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you denying he released the truth or are you saying he released the truth, but "others" behaved similarly yet he withheld the truth on them?

Are you denying that he washed and selectively released Russian propaganda, and also worked with the Trump campaign? So do you believe Seth Rich was murdered then? Edit: roenxi: Spreading the propaganda that Seth Rich was murdered is not "aggressively telling the truth", it's aggressively and mendaciously lying. It's a bit awkward for you to suggest that it's true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#Wi…

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