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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

tyingq wrote: post #61
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No way a common jury finds him guilty I wish I could still have your faith in my fellow countrymen. Sadly I believe yours won't survive this trial.

Assuming he gets to trial, and has lawyers that understand how to use the media, I think it may be difficult to convince the entire jury to prosecute. Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.

The jury will be sequestered to avoid media influence. This is common practice in high-profile cases.

The judge will set firm boundaries for what the jury can and cannot consider in their deliberations and while the jury is actually free to use any criteria they want, it will be very heavily implied that they cannot. The court will do everything in their power to make the jury believe they must convict based on the evidence presented and the rule of law.

Similarly the court will put significant limitations on what can and cannot be presented as evidence. US's commission of war crimes is (arguably) irrelevant as regards the crime in question, so I won't be surprised to see that bringing it up will not be permitted.

This is all fairly standard US court stuff.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #70

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>Will he be tried by a common jury or a military one? No way a common jury finds him guilty. Neither. This is the Espionage Act, so he's going to the spy court. Those doors will be closed and the jury will consist of people who work for the government. The court case will be over way way faster than you might expect.

> so he's going to the spy court No, he isn’t going to a FISA court, those don’t try criminal cases…

>No, he isn’t going to a FISA court, those don’t try criminal cases…

Never said he was. He's going to the spy court in virginia. It's obviously not something you list on wikipedia.

FISA is too monitored. The court he'll be going to always sides with the government.

Assange is going to the same place Daniel Hale, Chelsea Manning, Paul Manafort, various terrorists.

I wonder if Assange will ever see if he is guilty or not. Epstein treatment incoming. Though I do believe he will be treated properly, no enhanced torture or anything.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by Ekaros »

blackoil wrote: post #15

And this is why I find all the posts around China and why people/company should be ostracised for dealing with them hypocritical.

At least they should clean their own house first. Let say by punishing everyone who participated in or voted for wars and voted for politicians who voted for them...

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by bladegash »

the_optimist wrote: post #112
bladegash wrote: post #83

The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…

I respect your perspective but wholly disagree with your conclusion. There is not a viable concept such as whether a journalist “enables espionage.” Journalism is necessarily adversarial, not pliant.

Thank you for the tactful disagreement and I appreciate your perspective. I also believe journalism is necessarily adversarial and should be allowed to exist with little encumbrance. However, I do think there is a line that needs to be drawn at some point as to what is journalism, versus what is propaganda for a specific agenda masquerading as journalism.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by harabat »

From https://defend.wikileaks.org/, here are some ways to support Julian:

- Donate to WikiLeaks Official Defence Fund: https://defend.wikileaks.org/donate

- Sign petitions: https://bit.do/free-assange, https://bit.do/free-assange-uk (UK specifically)

- Contact politicians, unions, charities to inform and urge to act

- Inform yourself and others

- Social media: #ProtectJulian, #FreeAssange

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by Taurenking »

chevill wrote: post #41
not1ofU wrote: post #30

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Epstein is either still alive and retired to some other island, OR, Maxwell is actually the Puppet Master and he was a fall guy. - I think the 2nd is the most likely option, given her family history, and that she hasn't been epstiened. And she is likely to get off, under the excuse of being controlled and in an abusive relationship.

There's a 0% chance that Epstein is alive and a 0% chance she walks on those charges. Miscarriages of justice do happen but for the most part life is not a poorly written TV drama.

keep watching

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by bladegash »

yesbut wrote: post #109
bladegash wrote: post #106

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If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough. Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion.

These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...

I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables.

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by ben_w »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #80
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US is murdering international journalists. The USA is in 4 ongoing wars crossing 3 different administrations. The USA likes killing international people.

It's seems they have a preference for goatherds though....

When I’m feeling particular caustic about politics, I feel this sort of thing is LARPing Civilization but with the difficulty set to “Easy”.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by Ekaros »

criley2 wrote: post #77
realce wrote: post #71

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Reality Winner and Manning are American citizens. Assange is not. What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information? Your consolation is that it's only a decade or so of his life in a cage unjustly, no big deal? You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?

>"What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information?" The crime he is charged with has nothing to do with publication of anything, it's a charge stemming from his help attempting to crack a password hash of military computer accounts to help gain unauthorized access to military systems. Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your…

So will USA extradite let's say Israeli hackers to Iran? If not they are purely hypocritical.
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