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You've mentioned this before, here:[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5549627 (2013) There you link to writing of your own from 1997, "Real News": http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/real-news.html A book that explores some of these concepts (in terms of the Net's impact on traditional news media) is Andrew L. Shapiro's book The Control Revolution (1999).[2] What numerous prognosticators (yourself, Epic, Shapiro,…

I'd forgotten that comment! Thank you! I did know about individual targeting last millennium, thanks to the controversy around DoubleClick, but didn't know it would become central to people's experience of the web. I don't remember whether I thought it was ridiculously unlikely, nearly certain, or somewhere in between.

I distinctly remember thinking when using some of the early web-log platforms (Slashdot, Kuro5hin), that the combination of rating, reading, posting, and other actions by users would make for one hell of an effective preferences-determining engine.

My gross error was in thinking that by not assisting in the development of same, the world might be spared such a thing.

When Friendster, MySpace, and Facebook emerged shortly afterward, the seemed manifestly harmful on that basis alone. That wasn't nearly the half of it, of course....

Google picking up Doubleclick was also one Very Large Step for man toward the dark side. Contrary to the "personal choice and responsibility" philosophy, individual actions and blackholing didn't do much against that either, ultimately,

Re: Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, Facebook

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The News Media Alliance, which is doing this lawsuit, is basically another lobbying group from News Corp, Hearst, Sinclair, etc.

Based on just those 3 names alone, you can infer this is not a group of benevolent angels or small-town newspapers. It's companies run by the likes of Rupert Murdoch with previous geographic monopolies and networks of O&O stations that are salty that they don't hold the same stranglehold over information they used to.

Clearly, this is a feigned appeal to get rent-seeking laws in their favor to profit from.

Re: Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, Facebook

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I think it needs to be less than $1, and really easy to do. And there needs to be trust that the card will only be used for that one article.

Sure. I may be showing my money privilege. I would pay, but that doesn't mean it's the best price. Just an example. Yes: fast, easy, and safe. But those are implementation details, and solvable ones. But seems to me they're not onboard with any of it. They want an account, and a bunch of BS. I was once so tempted that i was FIVE screens into one paper's registration process when I went "fuck this" and closed the tab.…

This has happened to me many times as well. It needs to be extremely friction free and pretty cheap.
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