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Walking and spraying multiple houses... I was surprise there was no return fire, then I saw it was CA.
Unless you have your gun on you at all times in your house what are the chances you’re going to move fast enough to return fire on people cruising through a neighborhood randomly shooting at houses?
The knee-jerk reaction of "defund the police" to the power abuses of police officers struck me as deeply weird from the beginning. It made me wonder whether the right NOR the left had any clue left as what the role of a police force in a democracy was actually supposed to be — or whether that battle cry _really_ originated from the same forces trying to split the US society: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/o…
> there would have been lots of great claims: "Train police", "Restructure Police", "Rebuild Police"... but what's a single good argument do Defund Police other than going back to anarchy? I believe it's a reaction to police forces now having military gear when it should be totally unnecessary. In many places police officers don't even need guns. Maybe spending less money in militaria and more in training would be a…
Duh. Who could possibly have foreseen that defunding would not change their attitude?
I read most of the article, in which the author implies that defunding the police increases crime, and blames the people in charge of Oakland with this crime. Yet I recalled hearing that police budgets in Oakland were steady to up this year, despite the protests. A quick search seems to confirm this: https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t... >Despite claims to the contrary, the Oakland City Coun…
I read most of the article, in which the author implies that defunding the police increases crime, and blames the people in charge of Oakland with this crime. Yet I recalled hearing that police budgets in Oakland were steady to up this year, despite the protests. A quick search seems to confirm this: https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t... >Despite claims to the contrary, the Oakland City Coun…
I wouldn’t put it past upset American cops to simply not do their job properly as a form of protest.
Police are intentionally allowing crimes specifically to boost the narrative of posts like this.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are there any good comparisons on how much a dollar of policing vs a dollar of social programs deter crime?
Is there any evidence that current police funding levels help to deter crime in any significant way whatsoever?
The knee-jerk reaction of "defund the police" to the power abuses of police officers struck me as deeply weird from the beginning. It made me wonder whether the right NOR the left had any clue left as what the role of a police force in a democracy was actually supposed to be — or whether that battle cry _really_ originated from the same forces trying to split the US society: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/o…
And in fact, they had no clue what a police force or a democracy were supposed to look like.
The knee-jerk reaction of "defund the police" to the power abuses of police officers struck me as deeply weird from the beginning. It made me wonder whether the right NOR the left had any clue left as what the role of a police force in a democracy was actually supposed to be — or whether that battle cry _really_ originated from the same forces trying to split the US society: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/o…
> there would have been lots of great claims: "Train police", "Restructure Police", "Rebuild Police"... but what's a single good argument do Defund Police other than going back to anarchy? I believe it's a reaction to police forces now having military gear when it should be totally unnecessary. In many places police officers don't even need guns. Maybe spending less money in militaria and more in training would be a…
Are we talking about the libertarian thing were you literally don't have the police anymore, and then you have a posse of ordinary citizens come together to execute arrest warrants and a high rate of private firearms ownership to deter crime? That would have been a weird thing to hear from progressives, I would think. And did anybody actually do this anywhere?
But if it's not that then the whole thing comes down to the details of what you're actually talking about.
That's kind of the problem with the whole movement. You have some really quite serious problems with the criminal justice system. Police unaccountability, perjury, prosecutorial misconduct, overcharging, the plea bargaining system. Civil asset forfeiture. Traffic fines used for revenue generation, creating adversarial interactions between ordinary people and the police and needlessly increasing the opportunities for things to go very wrong. Over-criminalization of everything, causing the US to have the largest prison population in the world. The War on Drugs. Things that really need to get fixed.
But then we have a video of a white cop killing a black man and a media narrative that says it's all about race, even though the statistics don't bear that out.
If you misidentify the problem then you're going to come up with dumb solutions.
The knee-jerk reaction of "defund the police" to the power abuses of police officers struck me as deeply weird from the beginning. It made me wonder whether the right NOR the left had any clue left as what the role of a police force in a democracy was actually supposed to be — or whether that battle cry _really_ originated from the same forces trying to split the US society: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/o…
> there would have been lots of great claims: "Train police", "Restructure Police", "Rebuild Police"... but what's a single good argument do Defund Police other than going back to anarchy? I believe it's a reaction to police forces now having military gear when it should be totally unnecessary. In many places police officers don't even need guns. Maybe spending less money in militaria and more in training would be a…
I think that 2020s protests might've gone very differently if, after the previous 18 complaints against Chauvin for racially-motivated excessive use of force, his department had said "Yes, this is a problem. He is no longer with the force" rather than continuing to employ him until somebody died. Most police officers I know have been decent people, with some bad apples. But unfortunately the bad apples are protected and ruin the trust in the police force for everyone.
Bari doesn’t sound to me a genuine person. I have seen her first podcast with Joe Rogan where she sounded like a layperson with typical 21yr old understanding of sociology-political affair. Then she suddenly became pro free speech and anti establishment media. This is a person who has worked for NYT for gods sake.