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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by smoldesu »

blahgeek wrote: post #367

I’m a Chinese. I’m glad that apple did this. While I want apple to keep its dignity as much as you do, I cannot change our government (we don’t get to vote, so we literally cannot). Given this situation, if apple don’t do these kind of things, worse case scenario, it get banned in china just like google and many others. As a user, apple products are still the most privacy protecting products I can buy and use in chin…

> As a user, apple products are still the most privacy protecting products I can buy and use in china

I find it exceptionally hard to believe that, with iCloud datacenters located in homeland China. An easier explanation is that Apple's marketing, long revered as one of the best in the world, was able to convince people that they were secure while giving data to the CCP hand-over-fist behind the curtain. Until their system is transparent enough to say for sure, I'd err on the side of caution.

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Post by sova »

cachvico wrote: post #386
quitit wrote: post #316

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People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

Would be fascinating to see all of these discrepancies highlighted.

it's a practice reaching as far back as cartography itself

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Post by robotresearcher »

smithza wrote: post #307
Eelongate wrote: post #218

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> "If someone says doing business with a military is unacceptable" Thiel hasn't even done that. His position seems to be that American companies should work with the US Military, but shouldn't work with the Chinese military. Such a position is certainly partisan, but it isn't hypocritical.

> Such a position is certainly partisan Try patriotic, or more cynically nationalistic.

Both of these are instances of partisanship.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by starik36 »

moogly wrote: post #2

At what point does something like this become a national security issue? I know these modern titans of industry answer to no one, but perhaps they should?

> modern titans of industry answer to no one

What do you mean? They certainly answer to China.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by js2sj »

It's very fair from my point of view. Think about it, you're company want to do business making a lot of money in my territory. Why would I let you? unless you give me some benefit as well. And the request from the government is to improve the country's technological capabilities and economy. Which government doesn't want this? If you see the country as a group of person, then it seems very normal. You want some benefit from me, you also need to help me, right? What's wrong with that?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by jay_kyburz »

scrubs wrote: post #375
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #250

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"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

I seriously disagree with this. I expect a whole hell of a lot more out of American management. Money is not the measurement of all things. Apple could have: - pointed out China is confusing its politics with business - thrown this out to a shareholder vote - tried to see what customers outside of China thought - threatened to pull all manufacturing out of China - required China concede control elsewhere: Apple can o…

I thought it was literately illegal for publicly traded companies not to put profit first unless they were registered as a non profit (or similar special business classes)

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Post by Spooky23 »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

The CSAM controversy is dumb. The real “folding under pressure” example is the neutering of iMessage.

Notice the FBI doesn’t whine about iPhones anymore.

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Post by wolverine876 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #382
joakleaf wrote: post #241

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Well, for one thing because we outside China would automatically assume they are showing the same thing inside China as we see. Now we know that is not true. That is deceptive. ... And a a shareholder, I was also kept in the dark -- Which is actually also pretty problematic and deceptive.

I wouldn't assume that because anyone who knows anything about different politics in different countries would know that companies there have to cooperate and comply with local laws and all that implies.

They don't have to do anything. If local law said Apple had to share all its technology with the CCP, I bet they'd find a way not to do it. It's a matter of priority and choice.

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Post by detaro »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #396
scrubs wrote: post #375

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I seriously disagree with this. I expect a whole hell of a lot more out of American management. Money is not the measurement of all things. Apple could have: - pointed out China is confusing its politics with business - thrown this out to a shareholder vote - tried to see what customers outside of China thought - threatened to pull all manufacturing out of China - required China concede control elsewhere: Apple can o…

I thought it was literately illegal for publicly traded companies not to put profit first unless they were registered as a non profit (or similar special business classes)

This is mostly a myth: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

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Post by T-A »

chrononaut wrote: post #344
quitit wrote: post #316

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People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

Why do we see some of these behaviors within China maps, outside China? > .. the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps .. https://goo.gl/maps/Qr2QRB7aB2jrg9Rk7 Roads are not aligned to the satellite imagery for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...
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