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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by cdot2 »

bostonsre wrote: post #45
cdot2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agricultural revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

Which agricultural revolution? If the earliest, sure more food is good, but having to fear being wiped off the earth from random raiders or armies kind of sucks.

States require administrators by definition and administrators require food surplus or they would starve. I know there were some hunter gatherers who had small food surpluses but I dont think there was anything that could remotely be called a state

This guy edited his comment. He originally asked if there were states before agriculture

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by mdasen »

drno123 wrote: post #28

Interestingly, Apple could also cause problems to TSMC. Because of Apple-first policy, at least two major chip manufacturers* are moving away from TSMC. One is even completely obsoleting a line of products that was previously being manufactured at TSMC. At the same time, while Apple can get processors from TSMC, their iPhone production is lagging behind due to shortage of power supply ICs. * - not sure if this info i…

We've seen articles about Qualcomm and AMD shifting to Samsung and away from TSMC. Some of Qualcomm's new processors are already moved over to Samsung. The 780G and 888 are already on Samsung's 5nm process. I don't think AMD has moved things, but we've seen articles about it noting how Apple is getting first-access to TSMC's latest processes.

> One is even completely obsoleting a line of products that was previously being manufactured at TSMC

That sounds a bit odd. AMD/Qualcomm products basically obsolete themselves very quickly. People generally aren't looking to buy a Snapdragon 855 from 2019. They'll either be buying the 888 or one of Qualcomm's cheaper lines (like the 700 or 600 series). It seems weird to prematurely obsolete something given that it's likely on a process that you already have enough TSMC capacity for. I mean, clearly I could be wrong. Maybe Samsung offered them something to do that and move things over faster.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by bt1a »

pupppet wrote: post #27

This will be the logical conclusion to every major American corporation unless someone puts a stop to this. If profit comes before everything, then so will China's 1.4B potential market vs US's 330M market.

I imagine you mean T and B, respectively?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by cm2012 »

cdot2 wrote: post #26
ethanbond wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life before nationstates was famously prosperous, safe, and enriching.

The agricultural revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

Contrary to popular internet belief, hunter gatherer life sucked way worse.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by arcticbull »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #24
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

I assumed it was firstly access to Chinese manufacturing. They can probably still make humongous profits without the Chinese market, but presumably their global sales rely on first manufacturing in China?

Yep, and it's likely that China is the only place they could actually manufacture their products. China isn't the cheapest place to make things anymore, and it hasn't been in a long time - that's been supplanted by Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc. It's even within spitting distance to manufacture in the US.

Companies manufacture complex electronics products in China because everyone manufactures there. The skills are there, factories are there - but most importantly, the supply chains are there. You can drive a truck from factory to factory to pick up all the pieces you need. Then drop the truck off at Foxconn. They'll make the products and you can put them back into the truck and drop them off at the port or rail yard.

That's not something you can just replace overnight.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by ribosometronome »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #40
echelon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

> Free speech, being critical of government, and even having the ability to run for president are rights that every person should have. Every person? Including convicted criminals? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_t...

Ones who have finished their sentence? Absolutely. The world is better served if we allow folk who have made mistakes are allowed the opportunity to grow and re-enter society as full members rather than permanently made a second-class.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

bt1a wrote: post #53
pupppet wrote: post #27

This will be the logical conclusion to every major American corporation unless someone puts a stop to this. If profit comes before everything, then so will China's 1.4B potential market vs US's 330M market.

I imagine you mean T and B, respectively?

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by dirtyid »

justinator wrote: post #46
mempko wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.

> China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems So long as you're not Muslim.

Technically, especially Muslims. The per capita amount spent on securitization, reeducation, labour transfer (jobs programs) for the purpose of sinicizating restive muslims population is massive.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by MangoCoffee »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #24
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

I assumed it was firstly access to Chinese manufacturing. They can probably still make humongous profits without the Chinese market, but presumably their global sales rely on first manufacturing in China?

>their global sales rely on first manufacturing in China?

for the past years but China's wages is increasing and Chinese crack down on tech company like Alibaba, Tencent, DiDi...etc. would it extend to foreign company? Not to mention the rise of Chinese domestic tech company like Xiaomi.

it look like Apple is not making their money back in China with this deal.

"To placate Beijing, though, some capital may have served more like donations to state enterprises and local governments. The company generated $249 billion of sales in Greater China over the last five years, less than the pledged amount."

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/apples-ugly-china-deal...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by systemvoltage »

mempko wrote: post #38
echelon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.

No, American executives sold middle class souls to mass manufacturing in China, directly leading to Trumpism.
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