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Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by trts »

Lammy wrote: post #42
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #11

Does it run on Windows 95 though?

The best you can probably do on plain Win95 is K-Meleon 1.6 (2010) http://kmeleonbrowser.org/wiki/KMeleon16 With installation of KernelEx you can try K-Meleon 74 or Opera 12: https://retrosystemsrevival.blogspot.com/2018/05/k-meleon-74... http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/wiki/Opera

IIRC K-Meleon predated Firefox / Phoenix 0.1 and was the (or one of the) original minimal gecko-based browers. It filled an interesting niche at least for me at the time in being a capable, open-source, Windows-native browser when IE had already started to dominate + bloat and Netscape / Seamonkey was also quite heavy in resource usage. Plus I think it had tabs.

cool to see it's still getting new releases!

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by ct0 »

wenc wrote: post #33
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

I moved from Chrome to Firefox a year ago, because: 1) Multi-account containers - open each tab in an isolated container with its own session cookies etc. Use case? Login to multiple Google/Azure/AWS/etc accounts at the same time on different tabs. This is a game-changer if you have to login to multiple cloud accounts because you work for a multinational and each subsidiary you support is on a different tenant. 2) Fi…

Bitwarden's firefox plugin has been flawless for me.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by Nextgrid »

giords wrote: post #38
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution. This is very bad for guaranteeing a healthy competition on the market, it creates an enormous walled garden. Firefox is truly multiplatform, open source, committed to privacy, security and an open web and Mozilla is an authority on these topics. Sure, they're not perfect, but so far they p…

The browser is a user agent. In this case, the user has decided that the ads Brave serves are better than the original ones on the website (otherwise they would't use this browser). Why is that so bad?

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by usrlocal1023 »

splatzone wrote: post #66
usrlocal1023 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried but Slack weren't interested. Update from 2 years ago To summarize my current understanding: Slack's video conferencing service only support Chrome's non-standard Plan B format for WebRTC calls. And our attempts to talk to Slack about changing that were kindly rejected (we met with them shortly after they had launched the calling feature). And my repeated questions in public events about adding Firefox sup…

I'm very confused - if it's working on Firefox with the Chime SDK, what good reason is there for Slack to block the feature on Firefox? Is there some political reason for them to disadvantage Firefox that I'm not aware of?

When Slack launched video calls, it was using Chrome's own implementation of WebRTC which is called Plan B. So it worked in both their app which is electron based and Chrome. Not sure if it worked with chromium derivatives like Brave, Vivaldi, etc.

Firefox rolled out the standard based WebRTC implementation and chrome eventually did as well, but companies like Slack and various others didn't migrate instead just threw an error message saying calling isn't supported in Firefox and instead use their app or chrome.

Since Slack's partnership with AWS about 2 years ago, they migrated from their own call infrastructure to using AWS's Chime. Chime SDK has support for all major browsers https://docs.aws.amazon.com/chime/latest/dg/meetings-sdk.htm...

But their browser check still remains today and Mozilla started to spoof the user agent as a workaround so that Firefox users can make calls as Slack aren't willing to remove the check or properly add support.

Chrome is planning to remove WebRTC plan B soon, so this should force companies to use the unified WebRTC implementation and hopefully means Firefox support. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/IY2am...

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by fartcannon »

ncphil wrote: post #61
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Like others have already written: Firefox is the most effective at suppressing ads, _with the uBlock Origin extension_. Ironic that most of Mozilla's funding comes from ad king Google. M's corporate leadership has really driven the project into the ground, and still... Firefox is the only browser that makes mobile Internet usable for me, and so I stick with it everywhere to take advantage of sync for bookmarks (bookm…

The fact that I can't have a new tab open with a list of all my bookmarks on Fennec is still just ludicrous.

What's the problem with bookmarks, Mozilla??

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by prohobo »

ajxs wrote: post #21
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

This argument I can understand, and I'm torn between Firefox and Brave because of it. Maybe the best option for people like me is to use both. Or create a Brave-like browser with Gecko?

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by dblohm7 »

chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #71

Question about Firefox's future and Mozilla's corporate leadership: Last week I made a slide deck and 20 min demo video of some features I feel like are fundamental to web browsers that none of them have. I think Mozilla is - in principle / on paper - the best organization to embody the principles that my ideas espouse. The general HN attitude toward Mozilla seems to be that it's a leadership issue. Is there any hope…

https://ideas.mozilla.org is a dedicated site for user feature suggestions. Perhaps you might want to try submitting over there?

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by artdigital »

bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

I was a Brave hardcore user but decided to just try Firefox again and really liking it so far.

Can't really say why though, it just feels nice. For extensions, Multi account containers and uBlock origin are nice. You can also hook up the containers with proxies so that when you're in container A, all sites in that container get loaded over that proxy connection.

But there wasn't a killer feature in Brave that kept me there, and there also isn't a killer feature in Firefox that's keeping me here though

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by deadbunny »

cxr wrote: post #49
ajxs wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

> I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary users though. Safari is both usable for everyday users and is used every day by more than those that use Firefox, which means WebKit is a viable alternative to Blink.

Only on Apple hardware though.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by imiric »

giords wrote: post #38
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution. This is very bad for guaranteeing a healthy competition on the market, it creates an enormous walled garden. Firefox is truly multiplatform, open source, committed to privacy, security and an open web and Mozilla is an authority on these topics. Sure, they're not perfect, but so far they p…

> Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution.

Good. The Basic Attention Token is meant to take the power away from adtech by making ads less intrusive and establishing a market directly between content consumers and content creators, cutting out the advertising middleman. The safe ads can eventually be completely removed from the transaction, as users can fund their BAT wallets instead of seeing ads, and support the creators they want directly.

There's a lot to dislike about Brave Inc., but the BAT is the only scalable solution to the ad-infested web we have today. Yes, Brave Inc. makes a profit from this (and other arguably shady means), but this is a far more consumer friendly way of supporting a browser vendor than the established alternatives.

Please read https://basicattentiontoken.org/

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